EU & Brexit Bunker

[First Aspect]

Possibly, but we are poorer than Poland now so we should get subsidized.

 

[briantrumpet]

It's certainly still very much an issue for Northern Ireland, which can only be understood by looking at how we got here:

https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-got-eu-deal-brexit-red-tape-keeps-coming/

The rules — set out in the Windsor Framework deal between the U.K. and EU — are supposed to ensure that goods are not moved onward from Northern Ireland to the Republic of Ireland, an EU member country.

But in light of the U.K. prime minister’s fresh EU deal, businesses are questioning why the new labels should be introduced at all.

Under the terms of the deal agreed by Starmer, Britain is preparing to sign up to European single-market regulation on animal and plant health, known as sanitary and phytosanitary (SPS) rules, removing the need for the labelling.

“We are being required to implement a very cumbersome and onerous regulation from July 1 until the date that the [SPS] deal is put into law, which may only be a matter of months,” said Roger Pollen, head of the Federation of Small Businesses in Northern Ireland.

“There will almost certainly be manufacturers who will say: ‘No, we’re not doing that’, and stop supplying the market, leading to gaps on shelves and broken supply chains, simply because the EU are sticking on a point of principle despite the imminent SPS deal.”

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Its sad that people are so obsessed with trying to prove Brexit was not a mistake/ bad .

As others have pointed out, it's probably a good idea to investigate plane crashes. Move on says @spen, let's repeat our mistakes ad infinitum.
There was a rumour that @spen was something to do with the law. I assumed the 666 was humour - devil's advocate. Don't think I'll be engaging him if I'm up before the beak.

 

[Stevo 666]

Its sad that people are so obsessed with trying to prove Brexit was or was not a mistake/ bad .

Its 9 years ago, its happened. You can't turn the clock back, so stop looking back.

Look forward and if that is a future in the EU, then campaign for that, ie the future, not the past

Bemoaning what has or has not happened is a negative approach and helps no one


It applies in all walks of life. Yes, the plane crash in India was terrible, but its no use saying what if the pilot did this or what if different maintenance had happened. None of that will bring back the dead or heal the injured. We need to learn lessons so these issues do not arise again

Let them print their 'I told you so' t-shirts as most people really don't give a flying **** any more. There are more important things in the world than the theoretical question of whether we should 'rejoin', as we know it ain't going to happen.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Let them print their 'I told you so' t-shirts as most people really don't give a flying **** any more. There are more important things in the world than the theoretical question of whether we should 'rejoin', as we know it ain't going to happen.

Do you have any evidence that “most people really don't give a flying **** any more”?

Out of interest..

 

[Stevo 666]

Do you have any evidence that “most people really don't give a flying **** any more”?

Out of interest..

Enough, thanks. I don't hear anyone whining about it apart from on obscure cycling forums.

 

[Psamathe]

As others have pointed out, it's probably a good idea to investigate plane crashes. Move on says @spen, let's repeat our mistakes ad infinitum.
There was a rumour that @spen was something to do with the law. I assumed the 666 was humour - devil's advocate. Don't think I'll be engaging him if I'm up before the beak.

One aspect of the Brexit Referendum I feel hasn't and should be debated far more is the necessary majority for issues of major or constitutional significance, maybe even in Westminster as well as for referendums.

Should issues of such massive long term binding significance be based on a simple majority where a 50:50 less one vote could cause a change. Should we be requiring a more significant margin to pass for such a change?

It's complex as not only does one have to consider the majority vs margin what also what constitutes a major change requiring an larger margin. Certainly some changes have binding impact far longer term than the current Government which might be a start point for requiring a larger margin for change.

Ian

 

[briantrumpet]

Do you have any evidence that “most people really don't give a flying **** any more”?

Out of interest..

This is weird, if they don't give a FF... from Aug 2024

 

[BoldonLad]

This is weird, if they don't give a FF... from Aug 2024

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How many people were "polled" ? THEY may have cared, but, I fear @Stevo 666 is correct in his assessment of the general public's FF thoughts.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Enough, thanks. I don't hear anyone whining about it apart from on obscure cycling forums.

So the answer is no then.

 

[briantrumpet]

So the answer is no then.

Anyone not wanting to hear any whining can easily ignore this thread then.

 

[briantrumpet]

How many people were "polled" ? THEY may have cared, but, I fear @Stevo 666 is correct in his assessment of the general public's FF thoughts.

2032, which is larger than many opinion polls.

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Copy_of_Internal_Brexit_240724.pdf

 

[BoldonLad]

2032, which is larger than many opinion polls.

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Copy_of_Internal_Brexit_240724.pdf

so?

 

[briantrumpet]

so?

You asked the question, I answered it.

You might not like the figures in the poll, but even if you don't trust opinion polls, the shift in sentiment over time doesn't suggest that people don't give a FF any more, which was the contention.

 

[secretsqirrel]

You asked the question, I answered it.

You might not like the figures in the poll, but even if you don't trust opinion polls, the shift in sentiment over time doesn't suggest that people don't give a FF any more, which was the contention.

The people do a u-turn? How novel!