EU & Brexit Bunker

[C R]

Is it really that much harder, a work/study visa, same if you went to every other country on the planet

I didn't realise that having to do paperwork for stuff that could be done without paperwork before was a benefit.

I thought you lot were against red tape.

 

[Pross]

Enough, thanks. I don't hear anyone whining about it apart from on obscure cycling forums.

You’re always whining about the lack of effort by the French in stopping immigrants travelling to the UK which is a byproduct of Brexit. Bloody Remoaner

 

[Stevo 666]

You’re always whining about the lack of effort by the French in stopping immigrants travelling to the UK which is a byproduct of Brexit. Bloody Remoaner

Feel free to quote me...

 

[Stevo 666]

I'm starting to worry about your reading comprehension.

I've stated multiple times that I am aware of the potentially pro EU bias of the Federal Trust. That doesn't invalidate the research as the report was also commissioned by the Constitution Society.
I don't have any smaller words with which to explain this.

The Constitution Society also states that:


The author is John Springford.


In the spirit of full disclosure, you could also argue that John Springford works for the Centre for European Reform which is pro-European. His conclusions are hardly startling however:



His conclusions are that Brexit is a pile of shoot. This is the broad consensus amongst economists. It will continue to be shoot.

Given that you seem to strongly disagree with his conclusions perhaps you could share with us the detailed research paper which shows that we are benefitting from Brexit and are now in the sunlit uplands?

We have been crying out for people to share Brexit benefits but no one has been able to find one.

I don't care who it was commissioned by. What do you think about the websites self confessed bias? That was my point.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

In thought that as things stand, EU and UK tariffs were exactly the same, pending a TACO/no TACO decision next month. Whether or not there is an EU deal and whether or not it's better (for us as hypothetical EU members in the sane timeline we aren't on) remains to be seen.

Yes, but as per Trump announcement the EU got a punishment tariff but then not with the howdid he call it again? Suspension so they could negotiate or something? maybe Rutte calling him a ''Daddy'' does heal things a bit who knows? (alltough Rutte is Nato now but srill.)

We are told one of the reasons we went Brexit'ing was to regain our sovereignty, our independence, so we could determine our own destiny. Yet we now seemed to have handed much of that to an unreliable player in the US who we seem determined to fawn over and bend to his every whim (in full knowledge of his blindingly apparent narcissistic motivations).

That's it's how it always has been, but the grass is always greener on the other side, i'm pretty sure a lot of you would be unpleasantly surprised if tomorrow we would get all the little rules they introduced in the past years as if we would have never left.

And what we do retain we seem to be making a complete mess of. eg Something Starmer made a big issue over "Smashing the Gangs" that worked well with record numbers crossing in dangerous boats with ongoing fatalities.

Ian

Yes but voting for remain or Brexit had nothing to do with chosing a competent govement, alltough i'm not allowed to vote in the uk, if i would i wouldn;t know what to chose i think they are all shite to be honest, Especially since their lastest ''Disabled people need to do their part jibe'' means they are insulting a very small an valuable group, they pretending there is millions wasted while in fact it is not, cherry on the cherry admittingly it was a other country but my Nephew with an muslce dyrone disease (Duchene) and he worked the until his heart litterly stopped at 28, he could have stayed at home and nobody would have blamed him. But the last labour and Tory govements think you should brand this people as benefit cheats. disgusting.

I also miss the richness/range of nationalities at Exeter University now, and seeing foreign number plates out and about. Can't blame them for not coming, given the messaging from the UK. Sure, none of the hurdles are insurmountable if people are determined,

They made it harder to doge taxes and drive road unworthy cars with for example bulgarian plates but other then then in terms of motos nothing changed and i think most student visa programs are still in place too.
However i think those riots last year and the general tone are not so appealing for some reason.

but like small businesses who used to export to the UK, there comes a point when it's just too much hassle, and they give up.

Exporting has become much more complicated not only because of Brexit but also because of EU rules. (which where planned before brexit.

You’re always whining about the lack of effort by the French in stopping immigrants travelling to the UK which is a byproduct of Brexit. Bloody Remoaner

That is not true, Farage/rpo brexit camp falsely claimed Brexit could ''stop the boats'' but it's not like they started crossing because of Brexit.

 

[icowden]

I don't care who it was commissioned by. What do you think about the websites self confessed bias? That was my point.

It's not relevant. The report is not published on their website. They have freely stated that they may have bias, and have partnered with a neutral organisation who have published the research on their website.

I'm starting to think you are being deliberately obtuse.

 

[Psamathe]

That's it's how it always has been, but the grass is always greener on the other side, i'm pretty sure a lot of you would be unpleasantly surprised if tomorrow we would get all the little rules they introduced in the past years as if we would have never left.

Personally I'm a lot happier with EU rules than Westminster rules. Whilst EU do on occasions get it wrong and/or go OTT, Westminster does so very frequently. EU rules and regulations tend to be better researched and aimed at protecting people whereas Westminster rules are too often from lobbyists and to protect companies to the detriment of people.

Ian

 

[PurplePenguin]

Personally I'm a lot happier with EU rules than Westminster rules. Whilst EU do on occasions get it wrong and/or go OTT, Westminster does so very frequently. EU rules and regulations tend to be better researched and aimed at protecting people whereas Westminster rules are too often from lobbyists and to protect companies to the detriment of people.

Ian

Are you suggesting that there is no lobbying in Brussels?

 

[First Aspect]

Are you suggesting that there is no lobbying in Brussels?

Philosophically, some people prefer inertia. Others find a more nimble government preferable.

Personally, I have a sufficiently dim view of politics that intertia seems good. Of course, that's predicated on the status quo seeming more or less fine to me.

In contrast, there is a lack of political inertia when if comes to devil ed power in Scotland and it took them about 10 years of a majority to go down a number of rabbit holes for which they had no mandate and do quite a lot of damage. I am also reminded of a comment made my a close friend who is from NZ, who lamented the comparative lack of progress of the country, because the government would be able to fark quite a lot of things up in a comparatively short time.

 

[Pross]

That is not true, Farage/rpo brexit camp falsely claimed Brexit could ''stop the boats'' but it's not like they started crossing because of Brexit.

I didn't say they did but previously we had stronger arrangements in place to prevent illegal migration from France to the UK. We also had greater rights to return some of those that come here. That ended with Brexit, there have been some attempts to get fresh arrangements in place but none have been as effective. Quite ironic considering the immigration rhetoric spouted by some Brexit proponents like Farage.

 

[PurplePenguin]

Philosophically, some people prefer inertia. Others find a more nimble government preferable.

Personally, I have a sufficiently dim view of politics that intertia seems good. Of course, that's predicated on the status quo seeming more or less fine to me.

In contrast, there is a lack of political inertia when if comes to devil ed power in Scotland and it took them about 10 years of a majority to go down a number of rabbit holes for which they had no mandate and do quite a lot of damage. I am also reminded of a comment made my a close friend who is from NZ, who lamented the comparative lack of progress of the country, because the government would be able to fark quite a lot of things up in a comparatively short time.

I don't think the EU is inert. It legislates on all sorts of things that don't need legislating.

 

[Pross]

Feel free to quote me...

I'm sure there are plenty of other places where they won't be tortured etc. That is, the ones who are not economic migrants.

I'm not an expert in how to deal with these things but for starters we could stop being so generous to illegal arrivals (hotel accommodation, benefits etc). And have a decent deterrent such as holding them in detention or an offshore location, or where it is clear that they are not here to escape mortal danger, a speedy return to their country of origin.

At least we have now got the French to do what they agreed and intercept small boats in the water on their side of the channel.

There you go, that's one I've got from this forum. There were plenty on Cake Stop but unfortunately that seems to have now completely disappeared.

 

[First Aspect]

I don't think the EU is inert. It legislates on all sorts of things that don't need legislating.

Don't be silly.

 

[icowden]

I don't think the EU is inert. It legislates on all sorts of things that don't need legislating.

Such as?

Remember that a lot of news stories in the British Press were fantasies created by Alexander DePfeffel Boris Pinocchio Loverman Johnson.

 

[briantrumpet]

Such as?

Remember that a lot of news stories in the British Press were fantasies created by Alexander DePfeffel Boris Pinocchio Loverman Johnson.

USB C

Oh, sorry, actually that's really useful.