TailWindHome
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“Who knows about Brexit? No one has got a f ucking clue what Brexit is. You watch Question Time, it’s comedy. No one knows what it is. It’s like this mad riddle,”
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secretsqirrel
Senior Member
It’s done, nobody talks about Brexit anymore, time to move on.
So I’ve been told.
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briantrumpet
Pharaoh
TailWindHome
Active Member
It's odd how Brexiteers aren't doing a victory lap but instead endlessly whinging.
Farage, Hannan, the ERG, Boris Johnson, David Frost, you won.
The PM is away to China with business to do trade deals. This was what you argued for. You won
Farage, Hannan, the ERG, Boris Johnson, David Frost, you won.
The PM is away to China with business to do trade deals. This was what you argued for. You won
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briantrumpet
Pharaoh
It's just so bizarre. They got absolutely everything they wanted, Starmer is sticking to his stupid 'red lines' (despite the shift in polling on the EU) and yet...
I suspect that if you asked them to define exactly what it is that they want, they couldn't. I think they just hanker over a past that never did exist, and that the hatred for the EU is just proxy for wanting something that's utterly unattainable, and an inability to come to terms with that.
Mixed up with hatred of foreigners, obvs.
bobzmyunkle
Veteran
Five Brexit betrayals.
1. The EU wanting a Farage clause if we rejoin. Rejoining isn't happening and if it did that would be completely rational. Apparently both Labour and the Tories are guilty of betrayal, but maybe not all those nice Tories who've jumped ship to Reform or Boris who's backing the express campaign.
2. Rejoining Erasmus - you could say that mostly benefits the posher kids, but I know ordinary working class kids who've benefitted. The beef appears to be that foreign youth can come over here. Pure xenophobia.
3. We haven't got control of our borders. That's post Brexit folks. Brexit didn't bring us that benefit.
4. Fishing fleet stabbed in the back if a new deal is signed. So there is no new deal agreed, the Express doesn't know what a deal will entail.
I seem to remember a lot of discontent from shellfish exporters post Brexit - they might like some of the Brexit 'red tape' removed.
On the other hand keeping factory fishing fleets away from our shores is possibly one of the few benefits of Brexit.
5. Not sure what five is, something about being dragged back into Brussels orbit maybe. Probably meeting EU standards if we want to export there.
Perhaps one of our pro-Brexit residents can find some coherence in the Express stance and correct my limited understanding.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...gging-britain-back-brussels-back-door-starmer
1. The EU wanting a Farage clause if we rejoin. Rejoining isn't happening and if it did that would be completely rational. Apparently both Labour and the Tories are guilty of betrayal, but maybe not all those nice Tories who've jumped ship to Reform or Boris who's backing the express campaign.
2. Rejoining Erasmus - you could say that mostly benefits the posher kids, but I know ordinary working class kids who've benefitted. The beef appears to be that foreign youth can come over here. Pure xenophobia.
3. We haven't got control of our borders. That's post Brexit folks. Brexit didn't bring us that benefit.
4. Fishing fleet stabbed in the back if a new deal is signed. So there is no new deal agreed, the Express doesn't know what a deal will entail.
I seem to remember a lot of discontent from shellfish exporters post Brexit - they might like some of the Brexit 'red tape' removed.
On the other hand keeping factory fishing fleets away from our shores is possibly one of the few benefits of Brexit.
5. Not sure what five is, something about being dragged back into Brussels orbit maybe. Probably meeting EU standards if we want to export there.
Perhaps one of our pro-Brexit residents can find some coherence in the Express stance and correct my limited understanding.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...gging-britain-back-brussels-back-door-starmer
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briantrumpet
Pharaoh
The thing is that the whole pointlessness of the 'British Standards' thing is that the businesses didn't want it, as en masse they knew that they'd have to comply with EU standards in order to sell in the EU, and they'd not be in business if they ignored the huge wealthy market on the UK's doorstep. So there was absolutely no point in duplicating the CE mark and doubling the compliance cost.
I sometimes wonder if the Brexit nutters would only be happy if UK businesses were prohibited from selling stuff in the EU, because if you sell stuff to them that means you're subjugated because you follow their rules. Have I got that right?
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briantrumpet
Pharaoh
TBH, I think the desperation of the headline suggests that they know that they've lost the argument and the plot. It doesn't mean to say that if Farage did get in that he'd not further sabotage the relationship with the EU and make trade even harder, but we'd know that he was doing it as an economic saboteur, given all the evidence we now have.
Pross
Über Member
Not too sure what shocked me most about this a) That The Express is happy to admit they led the call to leave the EU given that it hasn’t done anything to obviously improve things in the UK or b) that people apparently pay £3 for a daily dose of propaganda. I genuinely thought newspapers were around £1, maybe a bit more if you prefer your bullshit in broadsheet format. I guess it shows how long it is since I bought a paper!
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Pharaoh
It might be a last-ditch effort to get attention. From the Press Gazette (badly worded):
TailWindHome
Active Member
Lol. They don't even mention that bit of Brexit keeping part of UK in the EU.
They're funny
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briantrumpet
Pharaoh
Yeah but you two million people don't count, remember?
The 10,000 fisherpeople are *much* more important, obvs.
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briantrumpet
Pharaoh
Incidentally, re the cost of papers, I stopped taking the Independent when it went up to £1, and I realised I was paying £500pa for having it delivered seven days a week (as I had done for about 20 years) and yet was only really skim-reading bits of it and doing the crossword before putting it in the recyling bin.
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briantrumpet
Pharaoh
Oh 🤔
It's almost like they have some aspirations about how they'd like the world to 'evolve'.
It's almost like they have some aspirations about how they'd like the world to 'evolve'.
