CXRAndy
Senior Member
The reality is, those supporting continued war would not send their children off to be slaughtered on the battlefield in Ukraine.
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The reality is, those supporting continued war would not send their children off to be slaughtered on the battlefield in Ukraine.
CXRAndy
Senior Member
Conscription historically has been 18-41 in the UK.
Would you willingly let your child go to war for Starmer over Ukraine/Russia conflict?
icowden
Squire
A definition for you:
Conscription, also known as the draft in American English, is the practice in which the compulsory enlistment in a national service, mainly a military service, is enforced by law. Conscription dates back to antiquity and it continues in some countries to the present day under various names.
CXRAndy
Senior Member
I know what it is.
I'm asking would you willingly let your child be conscripted by Starmer to fight in the Ukraine/Russia conflict?
I'll start shall I. I would not be agreeing to any conscription for my children. I would send them abroad.
Starmer has no backing whatsoever of the British youth to go and fight in a foreign war.
I'm asking would you willingly let your child be conscripted by Starmer to fight in the Ukraine/Russia conflict?
I'll start shall I. I would not be agreeing to any conscription for my children. I would send them abroad.
Starmer has no backing whatsoever of the British youth to go and fight in a foreign war.
matticus
Guru
I'm worried about the children (of ordinary Russian citizens) that Putin has sent to fight many miles from home, in a conflict that has already cost 10,000s of their lives.
Surely we should be asking Putin to end this loss of life?!? :-/ 🙏
Oh dear. Conscription does not involve parents, just the conscripted individual. Parents don't "send their children off ..."
But at least other countries who do still need conscription don't suffer bone spurs like the US has in the past.
Ian
matticus
Guru
Putin: take your children home to their families!!
Rusty Nails
Country Member
I. No one has proposed conscription for Ukraine support or suggested that UK troops would/should take part in the Russia/Ukraine fighting or a foreign war. There has been suggestion of being involved in a peacekeeping role....after a ceasefire has been agreed...and only with a guarantee of US military support as a backstop, something we have done in the past as part of NATO.
2. You have referred to Starmer several times as a warmonger when he and Macron and other European leaders are trying to work on a plan for a ceasefire/peace with the reasonable proviso that there should be some security that Russia will not resume the aggression (which everyone knows they will at some time). This is not the ceasefire that Trump is working for with the triple whammy that it rewards the aggressor, shafts the victim and at the same time makes money for the US, while ignoring its role in NATO. Sadly, but realistically, there will have to be a compromise to bring about peace, but the best way to get a reasonable agreement is not to show all your cards to the aggressor straight away.
3. The best thing to come out of this is the realisation that, under Trump, the US is an unreliable, self-serving ally, and that Western countries have been spending far less than they should have on defence. It is definitely a wake up call. The US is right to criticise other countries for their lack of defence spending, but to pull out at this short notice would be unfair on Ukraine and encouragement for Putin.
multitool
Pharaoh
This war will not end unless the price Putin has to pay is too great for him to bear.
Trump is not asking him to pay any price at all. He is asking for Ukraine to capitulate. Quite apart from the amorality of this it would also reward Putin's aggression which means he is more likely to try the same again.
Trump is either stupid, evil or both. The US under him is not a force for good.
Trump is not asking him to pay any price at all. He is asking for Ukraine to capitulate. Quite apart from the amorality of this it would also reward Putin's aggression which means he is more likely to try the same again.
Trump is either stupid, evil or both. The US under him is not a force for good.
CXRAndy
Senior Member
His first thought to put UK forces on the ground. That is direct provocative act of war. Immediately bringing the UK into direct conflict.
Only other European countries backed away from provocation that Starmer wobbled. Trumps cancellation of military aid, focused the minds of Starmer and Europe. Suddenly it dawned on them, the bucks stops with them. All of a sudden much more conciliatory
He is still a war mongerer
icowden
Squire
So you would want to see them go to prison as soon as they return to the UK? Interesting. Do they not get a say in the matter?
How do you know? Have you asked them?
Rusty Nails
Country Member
As part of a ceasefire agreement.
I normally understand the English language quite well (I am the proud holder of an English Grammar 'O' level, which really dates me) and am unaware of the term "war mongerer". I have heard the term "warmonger". All the definitions of "warmonger" that I have read talk about encouraging or promoting conflict and war. It does not apply in Starmer's case because he is pushing for peace/ceasefire...which will mean that Russia has agreed to it...and not proposing conflict or war. No matter how often you use the term it is clear that you have no idea of what it means and make no attempt to understand its correct use.
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