Gender again. Sorry!

[monkers]

Nicola Murray, a prominent gender-critical activist and domestic abuse campaigner, has been found guilty of multiple charges of child abuse spanning nearly 20 years.

Murray, who was known for advocating the belief that transgender individuals pose a danger to children, has now been exposed as an abuser herself. Among her offences, she was reported to have verbally abused a child by calling them a slur related to gender identity.

She is currently remanded in custody ahead of her sentencing in May, which meant she was unable at that time to attend the Supreme Court on April 16th. Her name is also placed on the sex offender's register.

Her conviction raises serious questions about accountability within advocacy movements and the dangers of misplaced fearmongering. It also underscores the importance of protecting children from abuse, regardless of the victim's personal identity.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ile-sex-crimes-against-children-20-years.html

 

[AuroraSaab]

Nicola Murray, a prominent gender-critical activist and domestic abuse campaigner, has been found guilty of multiple charges of child abuse spanning nearly 20 years.

I've never heard of her and her X account is shut but so what? None of the newspaper articles mention her being a leader of any feminist group. She ran a niche charity and was a gender critical woman (there are millions of them). She now joins the 3% of convicted sex offenders who are female. The rest are male.
A search on X shows nothing but condemnation from women for her behaviour.

All your post proves is that sex offenders come from all walks of life and nobody gets a free pass re safeguarding, especially when they come from the demographic that comits almost all of the offences. Which is men; that includes all men regardless of their identity.

It also shows that people will pretend to be one thing when they are another. That's why we have safeguarding and don't take people at their word that they are harmless.

Her conviction raises serious questions about accountability within advocacy movements and the dangers of misplaced fearmongering. It also underscores the importance of protecting children from abuse, regardless of the victim's personal identity.

What questions? She ran her own little charity. She wasn't Emmeline Pankhurst, heading up some united feminist movement. Nobody was responsible for her other than herself. Yes, personal identity doesn't come into it - safeguarding is based on known risk and statistics, and we know which demographic is a risk to women.

I can find you a few far more prominent trans advocates who are also under investigation or jailed.

This week for example:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...cottish-greens-sexual-misconduct-allegations/

Stephen Ireland, founder of Surrey Pride, found guilty of child rape in March this year.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tephen-Ireland-child-sex-offence-charges.html

Here's Swindon and Wiltshire Pride being run by a convicted paedophile:

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk...ponds-reports-convicted-paedophile-helm-2018/

Welshpool Pride organiser, 2023:

https://www.countytimes.co.uk/news/...ys-pride-organiser-admits-child-sex-offences/

What's the common denominator seen here? It's being male. That's the biggest risk factor and it's one of the reasons why women need single sex spaces.

You finding one of the few women who do commit sex offences doesn't undermine that need.

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918700513652101531?t=JqbMmYA_MNui7yosUsrkZw&s=19

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918592114327240957?t=AjPLFqjKSt-nD-gJIGWk0w&s=19

 

[classic33]

I've never heard of her and her X account is shut but so what? None of the newspaper articles mention her being a leader of any feminist group. She ran a niche charity and was a gender critical woman (there are millions of them). She now joins the 3% of convicted sex offenders who are female. The rest are male.
A search on X shows nothing but condemnation from women for her behaviour.

All your post proves is that sex offenders come from all walks of life and nobody gets a free pass re safeguarding, especially when they come from the demographic that comits almost all of the offences. Which is men; that includes all men regardless of their identity.

It also shows that people will pretend to be one thing when they are another. That's why we have safeguarding and don't take people at their word that they are harmless.



What questions? She ran her own little charity. She wasn't Emmeline Pankhurst, heading up some united feminist movement. Nobody was responsible for her other than herself. Yes, personal identity doesn't come into it - safeguarding is based on known risk and statistics, and we know which demographic is a risk to women.

I can find you a few far more prominent trans advocates who are also under investigation or jailed.

This week for example:

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https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...cottish-greens-sexual-misconduct-allegations/

Stephen Ireland, founder of Surrey Pride, found guilty of child rape in March this year.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tephen-Ireland-child-sex-offence-charges.html

Here's Swindon and Wiltshire Pride being run by a convicted paedophile:

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk...ponds-reports-convicted-paedophile-helm-2018/

Welshpool Pride organiser, 2023:

https://www.countytimes.co.uk/news/...ys-pride-organiser-admits-child-sex-offences/

What's the common denominator seen here? It's being male. That's the biggest risk factor and it's one of the reasons why women need single sex spaces.

You finding one of the few women who do commit sex offences doesn't undermine that need.

The leader of a listed terrorist organisation, one which is credited with the invention of the letter bomb. An item used in indiscriminate bombings, where the people injured and killed by them were of no consequence. Man, woman or child, non were safe.
In the first quarter of the 20th century, she and her movement was responsible for more bombings than any other UK terrorist organisation.

Hardly a person to glorify. Given she fled the country, leaving other members of her movement to a punishment she wanted no part of. Happy to have others do her dirty work, and pay for it, but that wasn't for her.

 

[monkers]

I opened Aurora's post, because it would be a ''so what?'' answer.

Well Aurora.

''So what'' is the correct answer in one respect I agree with you - PRECISELY BECAUSE IT IS AN OUTLIER CASE. This is a demonstration of your hypocrisy, YOU, and others here like MAGANDY, and MADASAMICKLE love to scrape the internet looking for outlier cases. Each time you are told, ''there will always be outlier case''. However we see time and again, rinse and repeat of the same tactic.

Outlier cases, are just that, outlier cases. Karen White was an outlier case. Bell was an outlier case. And so it goes on.

So what did you do in your post - replied with examples of outlier cases. Outlier cases are not trends.

All your post proves is that sex offenders come from all walks of life and nobody gets a free pass re safeguarding.

Yes, exactly this. How do you tell when you are in the presence of a sex offender anywhere other than at home? You don't. And yet, violence and sexual assault chiefly occur in the home. The sexual assault of children is not carried out by men. There's a shocker! It is mostly carried out by other children, and that is why much of it is not seen in reports - they can't be named, and often can't be prosecuted.

And here's another shocker - most child abuse cases involve unlawful photography and distribution of photographs - and half of those involved in this crime are women! The men get the prison sentences, the women seldom do, because the courts really do try not to send women to prison.

Stephen Ireland is a red herring. He may have been a supporter of trans rights, he was also a paedophile. However your conflation of these separate facts, again is trying hard to portray trans women as paedophiles. Ireland is not a trans woman. It is shabby in the extreme, those facts are not related to each other.

The allegations against Browning are not yet proven. You are just scraping the internet, and yet the case of Nicola Murray wasn't found by you. This is because you weren't scraping for sex abuse cases, you were scraping for trans stories to weaponise.


So I'll press you again for what seems the thousandth time, where is the data that trans women with a GRC commit violent or sexual assaults on women or children?

Now let's have a proper answer from you. Where is the accurate unmolested data?

 

[AuroraSaab]

Outlier cases, are just that, outlier cases. Karen White was an outlier case. Bell was an outlier case. And so it goes on. So what did you do in your post - replied with examples of outlier cases. Outlier cases are not trends.

Examples of men commiting sex crimes aren't examples of outliers because most sex crimes are committed by men. How they identify doesn't change that fact.

Yes, exactly this. How do you tell when you are in the presence of a sex offender anywhere other than at home? You don't. And yet, violence and sexual assault chiefly occur in the home.

Because the opportunities are there in the home and there is no safeguarding. You seek to increase the opportunities for male offending and do away with the safeguarding. Who's doing this offending in the home? Mostly men.

The sexual assault of children is not carried out by men. There's a shocker! It is mostly carried out by other children, and that is why much of it is not seen in reports - they can't be named, and often can't be prosecuted.

I find this hard to believe, especially as most csa goes unreported .

If so, which sex of children is doing the sexual assaults? Girls or boys? Which sex are more likely to be assaulted by the other sex? Girls or boys?

And here's another shocker - most child abuse cases involve unlawful photography and distribution of photographs - and half of those involved in this crime are women! The men get the prison sentences, the women seldom do, because the courts really do try not to send women to prison.

I'd be interested in the stats on that. 8 out of 10 people convicted for csa imagery avoid jail so the men rarely get the prison sentences either.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...over-child-abuse-images-avoid-prison-nca-says

Blah blah blah

So I'll press you again for what seems the thousandth time, where is the data that trans women with a GRC commit violent or sexual assaults on women or children?

Now let's have a proper answer from you. Where is the accurate unmolested data?

.... and we're back to 'They're not really trans unless they have a GRC' ... which is the opposite of what you said on here for years, and the opposite of what every trans organisation, including Stonewall, Transactual, Translucent etc. say. They all say - and you said - 'You are who you say you are'.

You know the crime stats for those with GRC's are not recorded separately but think this get out somehow makes your point.

It doesn't because they are still men. It is men that are the primary risk. Nobody knows who has a GRC and who does not so basing access to women's spaces on a GRC is unworkable - and unnecessary because, guess what, they are still men anyway.

It's you that needs to prove why a special subset of men should be treated differently from other men when in reality there is no discernible difference.

 

[mickle]

You might disagree with my response but personal insults are not a hood way to discuss an important issue.

Ian
nb I didn't suggest anybody owes me anything. You were trying to make a point through totally unrepresentative selection of images.

It was a joke. But the truth is, your suggestion that those 'transwomen' don't qualify as women because they dont look womanly enough instantly qualifies you, in the eyes of Trans Rights Activists, as a transphobic bigot. "Trans women don't owe you femininity" is one of their mantras.

Those images are absolutely representative. I could show you a thousand more. Hairy, middle aged, balding blokes in bad wigs. Dressed up in slutty clothing and simping in a mirror. Tell me, how are we to differentiate between porn sick autogynephiles and whatever it is you imagine real transwomen to be? Where's the line?

 

[mickle]

I opened Aurora's post, because it would be a ''so what?'' answer.

Well Aurora.

''So what'' is the correct answer in one respect I agree with you - PRECISELY BECAUSE IT IS AN OUTLIER CASE. This is a demonstration of your hypocrisy, YOU, and others here like MAGANDY, and MADASAMICKLE love to scrape the internet looking for outlier cases. Each time you are told, ''there will always be outlier case''. However we see time and again, rinse and repeat of the same tactic.

Outlier cases, are just that, outlier cases. Karen White was an outlier case. Bell was an outlier case. And so it goes on.

So what did you do in your post - replied with examples of outlier cases. Outlier cases are not trends.



Yes, exactly this. How do you tell when you are in the presence of a sex offender anywhere other than at home? You don't. And yet, violence and sexual assault chiefly occur in the home. The sexual assault of children is not carried out by men. There's a shocker! It is mostly carried out by other children, and that is why much of it is not seen in reports - they can't be named, and often can't be prosecuted.

And here's another shocker - most child abuse cases involve unlawful photography and distribution of photographs - and half of those involved in this crime are women! The men get the prison sentences, the women seldom do, because the courts really do try not to send women to prison.

Stephen Ireland is a red herring. He may have been a supporter of trans rights, he was also a paedophile. However your conflation of these separate facts, again is trying hard to portray trans women as paedophiles. Ireland is not a trans woman. It is shabby in the extreme, those facts are not related to each other.

The allegations against Browning are not yet proven. You are just scraping the internet, and yet the case of Nicola Murray wasn't found by you. This is because you weren't scraping for sex abuse cases, you were scraping for trans stories to weaponise.


So I'll press you again for what seems the thousandth time, where is the data that trans women with a GRC commit violent or sexual assaults on women or children?

Now let's have a proper answer from you. Where is the accurate unmolested data?

Monkers, why did you protest when I asked you all those months ago if you were trans? I dont understand. If, as you believe, there's nothing wrong or shameful about being transgender, why did you get so butt hurt?