Gender again. Sorry!
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Bromptonaut
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So there's an attempt to JR the government approved pilot of puberty blockers?
Not exactly surprising.
JR looks at whether the decision was lawful, rational and free of procedural impropriety. If the Judge finds one of those present then HMG will, in all probability, remake the decision taking account of the issues the court identifies.
To try and portray the fact as some momentous step or a victory for TERFdom is nonsense on stilts.
Not exactly surprising.
JR looks at whether the decision was lawful, rational and free of procedural impropriety. If the Judge finds one of those present then HMG will, in all probability, remake the decision taking account of the issues the court identifies.
To try and portray the fact as some momentous step or a victory for TERFdom is nonsense on stilts.
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CXRAndy
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Ianonabike
Guest
Use of the phrase "Nonsense on stilts" by anyone on the genderist side likewise triggers gales of laughter.
bobzmyunkle
Veteran
Or maybe just see it as an attempt to stop child abuse.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Nobody in their right mind is against stopping child abuse.
Conflating transgender issues with child abuse is never helpful.
bobzmyunkle
Veteran
Are puberty blockers not child abuse?
I'm absolutely sure I didn't conflate transgender with child abuse. Try to be less hyperbolic and read what's written. If you don't think puberty blocking amounts to child abuse I'd be interested to hear your argument.
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AndyRM
Elder Goth
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
I don't think 10 year old girls and 11 year old boys can understand the possible long term repercussions of taking puberty blockers.
These children aren't physically ill.
Medicalising what is frequently a transient mental health issue that resolves with time, support, and watchful waiting is medically negligent.
There are many ethical concerns about this trial, not least that the whole thing is based on 'Let's give children the drugs that they have been indoctrinated to believe will make them feel better... and see if it makes them feel better'.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...ew-puberty-blocker-trial-put-children-at-risk
This is a trial for which there is no clear rationale for why these children are being given puberty blockers, and for which clinicians admit there is no way of telling which of these children will go on to identify as transgender into adulthood and so might (theoretically) benefit from the drugs.
These children aren't physically ill.
Medicalising what is frequently a transient mental health issue that resolves with time, support, and watchful waiting is medically negligent.
There are many ethical concerns about this trial, not least that the whole thing is based on 'Let's give children the drugs that they have been indoctrinated to believe will make them feel better... and see if it makes them feel better'.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...ew-puberty-blocker-trial-put-children-at-risk
This is a trial for which there is no clear rationale for why these children are being given puberty blockers, and for which clinicians admit there is no way of telling which of these children will go on to identify as transgender into adulthood and so might (theoretically) benefit from the drugs.
monkers
Shaman
Are puberty blockers not child abuse?
Not if you ask the thousands of trans adults who took prescribed puberty blockers. Yes it would always be child abuse to give puberty blockers to children who did not identify as trans. And regretters? There will always be examples of people who regret procedures they elected for from the holiday romance tattoo, to breast enlargement and breast reduction surgeries. There is a high percentage of regretters from all age groups, so age is not the best of indicating factors.
I used puberty blockers for 27 months. Regrets? None. Regrets if I hadn't taken them - 100% with dire consequences for my future if they had not been available to me.
Puberty blockers are NOT a trans promoting treatment, that would be cross sex hormones. Puberty blockers just create useful delay. They are the mechanism of the necessary process of exercising caution. Their use means that the use of cross sex hormones can be usefully delayed by a couple of years.
What did they do for me? They gave me certainty that I would not face a male puberty unless I changed my mind, in which case I could elect to stop taking them and start a male puberty. Taking puberty blockers means that I do not have a male appearance, no facial hair, no enlarged Adam's apple, no masculine voice, and I have all my own hair.
Encouraging the taking of puberty blockers is as wrong as denying them. Just because there have been cases where trans youth have been prescribed with a lack of due diligence does not score against the use of puberty blockers, but it does score against some clinical practitioners.
I never attended the Tavistock Centre, but it is clear that the system there was overloaded and under-resourced. It was a system failure.
Instead, I went somewhere not under these pressures. My result is 100% positive.
The point here is that everybody hearing the Sex Matters narrative is influenced by that without hearing the balanced view.
Why do cis people think that trans people should have no skin in the game? These are our lives, our lived experiences, and the bodily autonomy remains with us.
