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monkers

Shaman
Not something you have a track record of doing is it?


The opinion of the experts you quote and other may quote are irrelevant.

The only opinion that matters is that of the Supreme Court ( and possibly ECtHR if it goes there)

You are again showing yourself to be something of a 'chump'.

It is not possible to consider the opinion of the Supreme Court of the EHRC temporary interim guidance, because members of the Supreme Court have not considered it - for the precise reason that they make no claim of abilities for time travel.

We can legitimately consider the reasoning and conclusions of Judge Swift's recent High Court judgment on the basis of his consideration of matters contained within the SC judgment and his own opinions of the EHRC temporary guidance, but not on the basis of something that not just didn't happen, but can not possibly have happened.

And for extra chumpiness, you say ''the opinion of the experts you quote is irrelevant''. Try telling that to Judge Swift, the author who made the judgment - the only quote I made!
 
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TailWindHome

Active Member
Both are being backed and supported by the federal agency.

Local prosecution is impossible and will fail even if its attempted by local prosecutor Moriarty (cant get a funnier surname)

The federal Supremacy clause overides local prejudical litigation

ICE shooting at such a rate in Minnesota the Federal government providing blanket immunity
 

spen666

Über Member
You are again showing yourself to be something of a 'chump'.

It is not possible to consider the opinion of the Supreme Court of the EHRC temporary interim guidance, because members of the Supreme Court have not considered it - for the precise reason that they make no claim of abilities for time travel.

We can legitimately consider the reasoning and conclusions of Judge Swift's recent High Court judgment on the basis of his consideration of matters contained within the SC judgment and his own opinions of the EHRC temporary guidance, but not on the basis of something that not just didn't happen, but can not possibly have happened.

And for extra chumpiness, you say ''the opinion of the experts you quote is irrelevant''. Try telling that to Judge Swift, the author who made the judgment - the only quote I made!

Here we go again

You want a rule of law but only when the courts rule in your favour.

The Court made a clear decision and rejected all the JR matters before it. Whether you like it or not, that is the ruling of the Court and the guidance stands

Either the person you quote was part of the court making the decision or its merely an opinion and not determinate
 
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AuroraSaab

Pharaoh
If Para 42 does say that trans people are blanket banned, I'll be grateful for your help.

Nowhere in the judgement does it say that trans people must have access to their toilet of choice, which is what you are implying with your 'it doesn't say there's a blanket ban' claim. Again, this is just you trying to sow confusion in the mind of readers. I'll go with the verified legal experts re the judgement, thanks.
 

monkers

Shaman
Nowhere in the judgement does it say that trans people must have access to their toilet of choice, which is what you are implying with your 'it doesn't say there's a blanket ban' claim. Again, this is just you trying to sow confusion in the mind of readers. I'll go with the verified legal experts re the judgement, thanks.

I'm just asking you to read para 42 and show me how that form of words means something else.
 

monkers

Shaman
Here we go again

You want a rule of law but only when the courts rule in your favour.

The Court made a clear decision and rejected all the JR matters before it. Whether you like it or not, that is the ruling of the Court and the guidance stands

Either the person you quote was part of the court making the decision or its merely an opinion and not determinate

You really want to go around again? I'm aware that every time I reply to you, it can only have the effect of making you look a chump.

Does it not even as much as occur to you, that the GLP were hoping for a different interpretation, the Judge rejected it, therefore the status remains the same, and that is the position I'm arguing. I don't favour the judgment, as there's not much to favour and I've said as much.

But in terms of the question can an employer use a policy of trans inclusion, the answer is yes they can. The difference is that under the provision of using a legitimate aim using proportionate means, employers can, but only under the ground of gender reassignment and not under the ground of sex. It also means that if an employer does that, although measured against biological sex it becomes mixed sex, it does not follow that a policy that includes trans people can only be read to give permission for any man can use the toilet. A gateway analysis proves the point.

I'm left with an uncertainty about you. I have three choices, either to consider you incompetent as a lawyer, just another idiot on the internet who enjoys creating a spat and then trying to win it, or just a chump who has know idea why he's even here. Whichever way you seem to be just trolling.

What is clear, is that you are determined to just make it personal.
 
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Para 42 seems to high light the contradiction(s) created by the fact that the SC in For Women Scotland, at least as its being interpreted in ration to toilets, drove a coach and horses through recognised law (EC&GRA) as it related to trans people with a GRC.
 

spen666

Über Member
You really want to go around again? I'm aware that every time I reply to you, it can only have the effect of making you look a chump.

You carry on thinking that
I'll carry on pointing out the false and misleading material you post along with the out of context and unsubstantiated claims
Does it not even as much as occur to you, that the GLP were hoping for a different interpretation, the Judge rejected it, therefore the status remains the same, and that is the position I'm arguing. I don't favour the judgment, as there's not much to favour and I've said as much.

The status remains the same, the guidance is effective.

GLP might have been hoping for a different interpretation, because the lost completely in court

you "do not favour the judgement" - whether you favour it or not - the judgement is that your position is not the law and your stance is wrong in law
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I'm left with an uncertainty about you. I have three choices, either to consider you incompetent as a lawyer, just another idiot on the internet who enjoys creating a spat and then trying to win it, or just a chump who has know idea why he's even here. Whichever way you seem to be just trolling.

I'm an incompetent lawyer? Yes, because not a single legal post I have made is incorrect, unlike the multitude of nonsense you have posted
What is clear, that you are determined to just make it personal.

I'm making it personal?

Thats hilarious from you who constantly resorts to personal insults in every response to me

I'm a tiresome person, a troll, an incompetent lawyer, a chump etc all according to you - yet you are claiming I make it personal?
 
I'm left with an uncertainty about you. I have three choices, either to consider you incompetent as a lawyer, just another idiot on the internet who enjoys creating a spat and then trying to win it, or just a chump who has know idea why he's even here. Whichever way you seem to be just trolling.

What is clear, is that you are determined to just make it personal.

Bolded bit, nail, head hit.
 

monkers

Shaman
You carry on thinking that
I'll carry on pointing out the false and misleading material you post along with the out of context and unsubstantiated claims

Oh dear.

The ONLY material was the quote of p42 which was from that ruling, not some other ruling.

Please go and see a dominatrix for future spankings, I'm tired of doing that service for free.
 

AuroraSaab

Pharaoh
I'm just asking you to read para 42 and show me how that form of words means something else.

Para 42 does not mean that trans identifying men can therefore have access to women's single sex toilets. It means only that toilet provision must ensure that those with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment aren't discriminated against. This can be done by providing single sex M and F toilets and an additional mixed toilet. Or by using single enclosed cubicles.

It's a big leap from what the judge says in para 42 to 'men can go in women's toilets'. Every argument the Good Law Project put forward to suggest they can was rejected.

But again, I'll be going with verified legal opinion not your vested interest spin.
It's clear the judgement doesn't support your position but you continue to grasp at straws.
 
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