Nice bit of misrepresentation, there. Well done 👏
As I said at the time my take on, and objection to your misrepresentation of AS is based on this, and subsequent posts.
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It's really hard to have a discussion with you when your one tactic is to move the goalposts when whatever untrue crap you posted upthread is proven to be untrue crap. You do it over and over again.
The latest example:
MT: There is no evidence that there is an increase in offending rates in countries with SelfID
AS: That's because in selfID countries trans women crimes are now attributable to women. There is no distinction, so any selfIDing TW crimes are hidden. But it has increased because I say so. My hatred of trans women is so strong that they must have offended.
MT: But look at this data from Argentina. Clearly, they are logging selfIDing crimes separately from cis women, so what you said about crime figures cannot be true.
AS: ITS NOT JUST ABOUT CRIMES AS I KEEP TELLING YOU AND YOU ARE A MAN WHO HATES WOMEN!!!
Your debating skills are sub sixth form level. You generalise, lie, deflect, and put up endless straw men. I would define your arguments as specious, but that would imply they are superficially plausible.
It's no wonder that everyone else has given up.
(AS: ITS BECAUSE IM RIGHT!)
And now, I'm giving up with you too.
You come across as rather arrogant, and aggressive and not a little grandiose in your opinion of your own 'debating' skills.
This is a difficult topic to discuss online with strangers.
A bit of humility, and attempt to understand
and acknowledge 'feelings' of others as well as drilling down into 'hard data' wouldn't go amiss.
Rather than saying that 'feelings' aren't on the agenda right now.
Which is precisely what you did in the first line of this post, as if you're leading the discussion .
One thing at a time; we'll come to 'feelings' later. For the moment
I have only been discussing tangible incidents.
AS put forward the same argument already, but a few posts back I posted something from Argentina that suggested that a distinction between trans and cis women IS made in the reporting of crime in Argentina. AS rather conveniently swerved around this and pivoted onto 'feelings'. Now, I'm not discounting feelings, but I want to drill down on tangible incidents first.
I acknowledge that it is difficult to penetrate the judicial systems of other countries, but as I said it appears that Argentina does distinguish, so I'm loathe to accept AS's glib assurance that nowhere in the SelfID world does this happen.
After all there are plenty of people who might say that it's 'only' 'feelings' that lead people to transgenderism in the first place.
Imo, those feelings shouldn't be discounted either, I believe in most cases there is genuinely a situation of body disphoria that should be understood and accommodated by society wherever possible and that transpeople should be protected from harm too.
But that still doesn't mean that women should be expected to accept male bodied people into their own deliberately created safe(r) spaces
