Gender again. Sorry!

[classic33]

Chalmers said it was better to have tough competition. She had none, they just rode away left you floundering in third on your own.

Tennis legend Martina Navratilova added: 'More mediocre male bodies taking podium places from female athletes. And it stinks!!!!'

Riley Gaines
She is a traitor to ethical and fair sport. And she's a traitor to women

Absolutely spot on from Navratilova and Gaines

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-two-trans-athletes-left-standing-podium.html

"However, watching Navratilova gain understanding through the programme was gratifying. Her stance was quite clear from the get-go – for the majority of the documentary she remained adamant that trans women would always have the upper hand to a certain extent over other women. But through her talks with trans women, Navratilova seemed to gain a deeper understanding of the impact this toxic debate has, and says she has gained a deeper level of empathy.*

In the documentary she realises that competing in sport is about so much more than just the elite levels. For many, sport is simply a form of exercise, socialisation, a chance to participate in something they enjoy. Not allowing trans women to join in with other women is therefore not only cruel, but another way to push trans people out of public life. As Navratilova herself touches upon in the documentary, there are no trans people competing at an elite level of sport such as at the Olympics, and no sign of trans women dominating in women’s sport, despite the fact they have been allowed to compete under certain conditions since 2003."
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ratilova-trans-athletes-sport-bbc-documentary

*There's that word again.

 

[classic33]

Seems unlikely you would be in Kathleen Stock's email contacts for any reason. No mention on the internet of a single person getting it sent to them but you. Sounds like it was copied from Medium and forwarded.

The words at the top don't appear in the Medium article. Again, sounds like an addition by someone else to an article forwarded to you.

The point of all this pedantry on my part is simply this: you continually post stuff that isn't true hoping that readers will take it at face value. Stop doing it. When you do do it I am going to continue to ask to see the evidence and the receipts.

Why?
I'm in some folks e-mail contact list for no reason I can understand.

As for posting stuff that "simply isn't true", your own track record on that isn't all that good. Pot/kettle/black

 

[AndyRM]

"However, watching Navratilova gain understanding through the programme was gratifying. Her stance was quite clear from the get-go – for the majority of the documentary she remained adamant that trans women would always have the upper hand to a certain extent over other women. But through her talks with trans women, Navratilova seemed to gain a deeper understanding of the impact this toxic debate has, and says she has gained a deeper level of empathy.*

In the documentary she realises that competing in sport is about so much more than just the elite levels. For many, sport is simply a form of exercise, socialisation, a chance to participate in something they enjoy. Not allowing trans women to join in with other women is therefore not only cruel, but another way to push trans people out of public life. As Navratilova herself touches upon in the documentary, there are no trans people competing at an elite level of sport such as at the Olympics, and no sign of trans women dominating in women’s sport, despite the fact they have been allowed to compete under certain conditions since 2003."
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ratilova-trans-athletes-sport-bbc-documentary

*There's that word again.

Like he's actually watched the documentary...

 

[monkers]

Seems unlikely you would be in Kathleen Stock's email contacts for any reason. No mention on the internet of a single person getting it sent to them but you. Sounds like it was copied from Medium and forwarded.

I did not say that I was in Stock's address book - I rather hope that I'm not. I said she obtained my email address from elsewhere, and that I was unsure where from - though I did speculate. Whatever you are incorrect. I've never heard of 'medium' and have never been a subscriber. I received the email the day before the article appeared on medium (an event I was unaware of). Let me assure you, the email came from Stock herself.

 

[Deleted member 159]

"However, watching Navratilova gain understanding through the programme was gratifying. Her stance was quite clear from the get-go – for the majority of the documentary she remained adamant that trans women would always have the upper hand to a certain extent over other women. But through her talks with trans women, Navratilova seemed to gain a deeper understanding of the impact this toxic debate has, and says she has gained a deeper level of empathy.*

In the documentary she realises that competing in sport is about so much more than just the elite levels. For many, sport is simply a form of exercise, socialisation, a chance to participate in something they enjoy. Not allowing trans women to join in with other women is therefore not only cruel, but another way to push trans people out of public life. As Navratilova herself touches upon in the documentary, there are no trans people competing at an elite level of sport such as at the Olympics, and no sign of trans women dominating in women’s sport, despite the fact they have been allowed to compete under certain conditions since 2003."
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ratilova-trans-athletes-sport-bbc-documentary

*There's that word again.

Goes against what Navratilova posted The other day about the males in cyclo-cross.

It's not about trans being in elite events, the elite discussion is to highlight the actual physical differences between male and female. These differences are present further down the rankings right back to school kids. After puberty kicks in the differences appear in abilities.

So if a promising youngster is knocked down a place or two, this can have all sorts of what look like tiny impacts on the kids sporting future. The ramifications could be missed scholarships, sponsorship, competing into the next level whether that be regional, national or international.

Males should not be allowed in the women's divisions. They can quite happily compete in the men's open class. Now if it's about winning, they should train harder and not try and use unfair biological advantage of being a male over women.

Girls have particularly hard time adopting sports in school, to undermine their early achievements is beyond a joke

 

[Deleted member 159]

I did not say that I was in Stock's address book - I rather hope that I'm not. I said she obtained my email address from elsewhere, and that I was unsure where from - though I did speculate. Whatever you are incorrect. I've never heard of 'medium' and have never been a subscriber. I received the email the day before the article appeared on medium (an event I was unaware of). Let me assure you, the email came from Stock herself.

Post the email header with Kathleen stocks old email address. She won't mind

 

[monkers]

Seems unlikely you would be in Kathleen Stock's email contacts for any reason. No mention on the internet of a single person getting it sent to them but you. Sounds like it was copied from Medium and forwarded.

The words at the top don't appear in the Medium article. Again, sounds like an addition by someone else to an article forwarded to you.

The article was 2019, the letter that you claim academics wrote in response to it was 2021. It wasn't a response to Stock's writing at all.

The point of all this pedantry on my part is simply this: you continually post stuff that isn't true hoping that readers will take it at face value. Stop doing it. When you do do it I am going to continue to ask to see the evidence and the receipts.

There's been a battle going on between Stock and her colleagues since the This Is Not A Drill email. You can see this in Stock's open letter after her resignation where she accuses colleagues, students, and her own union of 'mob rule'.

The letter I posted was as the content of the letter showed, it followed her OBE criticizing both her and the government for granting it.

I doubt that I have the response letter to the TINAD email, because as I said I did not respond to it. I will later search my INBOX, though you might find it on the net.

 

[monkers]

Post the email header with Kathleen stocks old email address. She won't mind

Why?

 

[AuroraSaab]

That Guardian review of the Navratilova documentary is by a transwoman, who is a prominent trans activist, so not surprising that they emphasise the Be Kind aspect, not that Navratilova recognised the residual male advantage.

 

[Deleted member 159]

Why?

Because it will have the date, time, stocks email address. At the moment it's just looks like a copy and paste from an article.

Nothing to lose 👍

 

[icowden]

In the documentary she realises that competing in sport is about so much more than just the elite levels. For many, sport is simply a form of exercise, socialisation, a chance to participate in something they enjoy. Not allowing trans women to join in with other women is therefore not only cruel, but another way to push trans people out of public life. As Navratilova herself touches upon in the documentary, there are no trans people competing at an elite level of sport such as at the Olympics, and no sign of trans women dominating in women’s sport, despite the fact they have been allowed to compete under certain conditions since 2003."

The review fails to mention that the point of the documentary was to try to persuade Navratilova that her stance that Transwomen should not be allowed in women's sport was wrong and to show her evidence to try to change her mind. IIRC at the end of the documentary Navratilova is shown to have mellowed in her views a little, but only with respect to amateur sport.

 

[monkers]

Because it will have the date, time, stocks email address. At the moment it's just looks like a copy and paste from an article.

Nothing to lose 👍

I said I had it by email but not responded to it. You and Aurora searched for it on the web but couldn't find it. I told you that you won't find the contents of people's inboxes on the web. You've kept pressure on me, so I searched my inbox and found it, letting you know the header to the email was not as remembered. This gave you the opportunity to search for it again. Aurora found a similar result in Medium dated the day after I received my email. I'm then asked for the letter of response, which I don't have, because as I had said, I did not respond.

My account tallies.

The truth is you are eager to try to disprove what is before you simply because you don't like being proved wrong. There was a 'call to arms' sent out by Stock to people like me with the heading 'This is not a drill'. There was a response to it from the academic community, but as I had said, not from me for the reason I gave.

There are no holes in my account.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I said I had it by email but not responded to it. You and Aurora searched for it on the web but couldn't find it. I told you that you won't find the contents of people's inboxes on the web.

It's an article. Not a single mention of it being sent to people by email. Not even by one of the many people who signed the letter you claim was a response to it. Not a single person on Twitter seems to mention it being sent to them by email. You'd think all those pro trans academics would be all over it.

The truth is you are eager to try to disprove what is before you simply because you don't like being proved wrong. There was a 'call to arms' sent out by Stock to people like me with the heading 'This is not a drill'.

No. You've presented an article she wrote on her Medium account, added the top bit, and claimed it was a letter emailed to academics, including you. Then you claimed a letter published 2 years later was a direct response to it.

There was a response to it from the academic community, but as I had said, not from me for the reason I gave.

It wasn't. It was written 2 years later in response to Stock getting an OBE.

There are no holes in my account.

More holes than a sieve. If I were to be charitable I'd say you misremembered an article that somebody else forwarded to you and forgot the article and the 'anti-transphobia' letter were 2 years apart and unrelated. More likely you just think you can post anything and get away with it.

 

[monkers]

It's an article. Not a single mention of it being sent to people by email. Not even by one of the many people who signed the letter you claim was a response to it. Not a single person on Twitter seems to mention it being sent to them by email. You'd think all those pro trans academics would be all over it.


No. You've presented an article she wrote on her Medium account, added the top bit, and claimed it was a letter emailed to academics, including you. Then you claimed a letter published 2 years later was a direct response to it.

It wasn't. It was written 2 years later in response to Stock getting an OBE.



More holes than a sieve. If I were to be charitable I'd say you misremembered an article that somebody else forwarded to you and forgot the article and the 'anti-transphobia' letter were 2 years apart and unrelated. More likely you just think you can post anything and get away with it.

You are incorrect and a very poor investigator.

This is the second sentence of the email that I received and posted in full ...

Today, a UK employment tribunal judge ruled that the belief that biological sex is immutable, and that it is impossible to change one’s sex, is “incompatible with human dignity and fundamental rights of others”.

The article in the Medium which I agree is a similar article. The second sentence begins ...

Yesterday a UK employment tribunal judge ruled.

I had already said that I received the email 18th December.

Your image shows it was posted 19th December.

Stock's own wording proves it beyond doubt.

 

[monkers]

Because it will have the date, time, stocks email address. At the moment it's just looks like a copy and paste from an article.

Nothing to lose 👍

The date is confirmed in the post above- reply to AS.