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Pretty big country and extremely litigious when it comes to pharmaceutical side effects
Gender again. Sorry!
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classic33
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Like any drug, use it for something other than what its allowed for and you end up getting it banned.
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And the potential damage from so called safe drugs.
classic33
Me
If used correctly and for the purpose they were intended.
Don't touch paracetamol what ever you do.
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"Circular fallacy at play here"
Very much like trans ideology
Very much like trans ideology
qigong chimp
Settler of gobby hash.
So by way of
we've reached
Please will someone draw back the curtains and open a window?
we've reached
Please will someone draw back the curtains and open a window?
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multitool
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Yes, I didn't think you'd be able to engage with the content. It's quite long and it uses weird big words the likes of which they don't use in the Mail or GBNews.
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icowden
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It has nothing to do with Trans ideology. We do not seek to prove that something manufactured is unsafe, we seek to prove that it is safe.
Men do not naturally lactate. That they can be induced to do so by taking strong medications is interesting but it is natural to assert that great care must be taken around this. We know that much of what is ingested by a mother can pass into breast milk. The study cited by the trust says that the composition of the TW milk is roughly the same as that produced by a woman. However it does not cover any transfer of hormonal medications or other medications that the TW has taken.
Further, women's breast milk isn't one thing. It adapts to the needs of the baby using mechanisms we still don't fully understand. Even TW cannot produce colostrum which is an essential nutrient for newborns. Nor does the study look at whether TW milk is categorisable as fore milk or hind milk which have very different compositions. It seems very unlikely also that a TW could produce enough milk to sustain a baby.
Men are not designed to breastfeed, so pandering to transwomen to create something unnatural at the risk of a baby's development is a highly contentious topic - not helped by the fact that, as usual, any doctor questioning whether helping a transwoman to lactate is in any way sensible or sane will immediately be attacked and labelled as a transphobe.
And the default position would be that there is no compelling evidence that TW breast milk is safe enough or nutritious enough to feed baby. There is no biological reason for them to do so as they cannot conceive, achieve a pregnancy and nurture a clump of cells into a new born baby. That is what a woman can do - and only a woman.*
*yes there are some women who have problems doing so, but they still have the biological capability in terms of their biological design (womb, ovaries etc).
monkers
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It is a something of a stretch to compare something naturally occurring in the body with a drug manufactured by a drugs company in the pursuit of profit.
When drugs are approved, there are pretty much always known side effects, which is why a leaflet is always included. Every over-the-counter medication includes a leaflet which the person is supposed to read. Ibruprofen is not a safe drug for all users, nor paracetemol, nor asprin, nor codeine. When a drug is approved, it is done so against a regime of assessment of benefit and risk.
To be clear I'm not saying this from any position of support or otherwise in to the ongoing argument, but as is the usual case, wild assertions from the usual suspects are not helpful.
The Grauniad today has the following piece with the concern that a medication used in the control of epilepsy has been responsible for harming the children of women who have been prescribed it.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...lidomide-we-were-told-the-medication-was-safe
One last thing, women's bodies are not 'designed' unless you belong to one of the cults with an ideology.
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icowden
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The point is that it doesn't naturally occur in a man's body.
classic33
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The point being that to date the number of men* for who this has worked is a single figure. Tried because of misuse of the drug by women, to increase their milk output when breastfeeding.
*This isn't me getting anything wrong/saying that trans women are men. Its what the research, published in late 2017 said.
AuroraSaab
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... and yet an NHS trust are supporting it based on near zero research as to its benefits to the child or what the risks might be.
The point is the institutional capture of an organisation that should be science based instead promoting something on the basis of ideology.
The point is the institutional capture of an organisation that should be science based instead promoting something on the basis of ideology.
