Gender again. Sorry!

[icowden]

I saw that over breakfast. I genuinely can't decide if she's agreeing with JKR or not.

My hot take is that she didn't understand JK Rowlings post at all and firmly subscribes to fluffy thinking. "Wouldn't it be great if we abandoned the concept of men and women? We are all, like, just people. Concepts of gender are just, like, outdated - let's all just be 'they'" etc whilst having no actual thought as to how this would work in the real world, and the very real damage it would do.

Frankly Rowling's post is, as usual, a masterclass in setting out her argument and undermining the classy people who threaten to rape and / or kill her for being a transphobe.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I saw that over breakfast. I genuinely can't decide if she's agreeing with JKR or not.
(And if she isn't doing either, why quote JKR? She's welcome to state her own opinion any time!)
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I am not sure she is sure either, but she's going to disagree anyway because, well, it's JKR.

I've never read any Harry Potter books but if they're as convoluted as JKR's tweet (masterclass ??) I doubt that I've missed much.

 

[monkers]

My hot take is that she didn't understand JK Rowlings post at all and firmly subscribes to fluffy thinking. "Wouldn't it be great if we abandoned the concept of men and women? We are all, like, just people. Concepts of gender are just, like, outdated - let's all just be 'they'" etc whilst having no actual thought as to how this would work in the real world, and the very real damage it would do.

Frankly Rowling's post is, as usual, a masterclass in setting out her argument and undermining the classy people who threaten to rape and / or kill her for being a transphobe.

At least you now agree with others who say she is a transphobe.

 

[monkers]

I am not sure she is sure either, but she's going to disagree anyway because, well, it's JKR.

I've never read any Harry Potter books but if they're as convoluted as JKR's tweet (masterclass ??) I doubt that I've missed much.

It's an odd look when a world famous author accuses other people of fantasy thinking. It's also odd that when a person spends so much of their time writing diatribes that are abuse to the human rights of others is offended when she is replied to. So it goes, the breed of the famous who think they have rights to absolute free speech, but replies are deemed 'hate speech'. Human rights are not one-way, though there seems to be those who have made a name for themselves doing something unrelated seem to think so. Self-aggrandisement on stilts and steroids.

 

[icowden]

At least you now agree with others who say she is a transphobe.

Neither my post not JK Rowlings post says that.

 

[icowden]

It's an odd look when a world famous author accuses other people of fantasy thinking. It's also odd that when a person spends so much of their time writing diatribes that are abuse to the human rights of others is offended when she is replied to.

I have never seen a single post that shows she is offended when replied to. I have seen posts where she is offended by ad-hominem attacks and threats of violence.

It's an odd look when a world famous author who was subject to domestic violence and coercive control gives her views about why women in this position need to have safe environments to escape to is constantly called a transphobe despite multiple statements that she has no issues with transwomen, but a lot of issues with men who believe themselves to be women (or more likely pretending to be women) being given access to safe spaces for women.

If anything Rowling seeks to have open, grown up discussion about these topics and uses her platform and the fact that she cannot be "cancelled" to speak up for women.

Also, surely an author of fantasy would be more attuned to knowing when others are guilty of fantasy thinking, not less?

 

[Deleted member 159]

She says it as she she sees it, doesn't take any crap from replies.

The she destroys the trans ideology with facts, has a massive platform which millions of X members agree with.

That's why trans folk try and pin a label of trans hater

The LGB don't have issues with her stance

She is just standing up for women's rights

 

[matticus]

If I may, I shall amend icowden's comment slightly to add clarity:

Frankly Rowling's post is, as usual, a masterclass in setting out her argument and undermining the classy people who threaten to rape and / or kill her for allegedly being a transphobe.

 

[matticus]

I am not sure she is sure either, but she's going to disagree anyway because, well, it's JKR.

I've never read any Harry Potter books but if they're as convoluted as JKR's tweet (masterclass ??) I doubt that I've missed much.

Fortunately her books do not feature extended debate with readers claiming she has written words that are not actually there!

IMHO the books are nothing great, but they're far from terrible, and got MILLIONS of kids into the reading habit. I suspect they are a generation that had the bad luck to miss the books that Rowling er ... paid tribute to when creating the Potter series
(The also probably made Robbie Coltrane rich, And some forgettable child stars along the way ... )

 

[AuroraSaab]

View: https://twitter.com/DrJaninaRamirez/status/1777206055035936833

All the replies to that tweet explain things better than I can. 1,200 of them all explaining that you cannot have an analysis of women's oppression, which is sex based, if the category of Woman includes men. We cannot base legislation on some waffly sense of individualism.

Cass Report out in full in Wednesday.

Meanwhile new research from the Mayo Clinic suggests puberty blockers may do irreversible damage and aren't just a pause.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.23.586441v1.abstract

 

[Ian H]

I saw that over breakfast. I genuinely can't decide if she's agreeing with JKR or not.
(And if she isn't doing either, why quote JKR? She's welcome to state her own opinion any time!)
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Perhaps her opinions as expressed are not quite black and white enough for you. Nuance can be difficult.

 

[Rusty Nails]

It's an odd look when a world famous author accuses other people of fantasy thinking.

Why? I’m sure she knows the difference between her Potter fantasy and real life.

It's also odd that when a person spends so much of their time writing diatribes that are abuse to the human rights of others is offended when she is replied to.

‘Diatribes’ is a subjective opinion of her posts and interviews and I see nothing to show she is offended when replied to except if those replies are personal insults or threats…real or imagined. People on this forum occasionally feel the same.

So it goes, the breed of the famous who think they have rights to absolute free speech, but replies are deemed 'hate speech'.

I am sure she knows there is no right to absolute free speech, even given her spat with the Scottish lawmakers, and also when a reply is genuine difference of opinion or hate speech. Many people do hate her.

Human rights are not one-way, though there seems to be those who have made a name for themselves doing something unrelated seem to think so.

I am not sure of where she has said/implied that human rights are one way. I am not aware of how much she has, or has not, supported human rights issues through her charitable trust.

Self-aggrandisement on stilts and steroids.

Any famous person making political or social statements using the platform available to them could be accused of the same thing.

Is the argument that she is wrong, as presumably are a significant element of the population (no, I don’t have the stats), or that, as a famous person she should keep out of the debate? It cannot be that no-one, especially someone with a huge platform, is allowed to have dissenting opinions on a difficult for some and controversial issue

She clearly feels strongly about it and does seem to revel in the controversy but that is not a crime or some on this forum would be criminals.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Perhaps her opinions as expressed are not quite black and white enough for you. Nuance can be difficult.

Did you not write this in response to RAFN?

Are you the only one who's allowed to belittle and insult?

 

[Ian H]

Did you not write this in response to RAFN?

Yes, it's a question, not a statement, and Matticus can give as good as he gets, both here and IRL.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Perhaps her opinions as expressed are not quite black and white enough for you. Nuance can be difficult.

Perhaps you can explain for us thickos, Ian.