Gender again. Sorry!
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cookiemonster
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AndyRM
Elder Goth
icowden
Squire
Yes. The real ones tend not to be the ones wanting to decapitate, rape or punch women. In my experience they tend to be quite quiet as they want to fit in and not be on the receiving end of abuse.
It's a bit like your constant association of Let Women Speak with Nazis. Women can be allowed to speak out without being Nazis.
There are unpleasant elements in both groups.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Your last sentence is key for me.
As I've said, repeatedly, there really is a middle ground/grey area (call it what you will) which is a space I believe would be beneficial for everyone.
Sadly it's largely ignored.
bobzmyunkle
Senior Member
I guess we need to define it. Quiet calm discussion maybe?
cookiemonster
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On this thread? You must be kidding.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Let's give it a go, shall we?
I'm non-binary, pansexual, and don't give a f*ck about pronouns, but I respect other people's.
I also respect chosen names and don't dead-name people.
Spaces are spaces. You make of them what you will.
Victimising minorities, or yourself, gets nobody nowhere.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTXszRHc0qs
I'm non-binary, pansexual, and don't give a f*ck about pronouns, but I respect other people's.
I also respect chosen names and don't dead-name people.
Spaces are spaces. You make of them what you will.
Victimising minorities, or yourself, gets nobody nowhere.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTXszRHc0qs
classic33
Me
We've tried that, didn't work out too well. Even when the "discussion" went across the Irish Sea, we never got round to how the majority of Gender Recognition Certificates issued by the state had been issued to trans men. Most of whom seemed to be wanting to continue living their lives.
The concentration was on one trans women out of the seven trans prisoners, with Gender Recognition Certificates issued by the state*. Equating trans to mean trans women. Trans men outnumbered trans women, at the time, in Irish prisons. But that wasn't allowed to be considered.
*One of those mentioned was in the country illegally, deported when their sentence was served.
bobzmyunkle
Senior Member
That didn't last long
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Gis a chance!
multitool
Pharaoh
Whilst I applaud your appeal to moderation, I am laughing whilst clapping that this should come from somebody who frequently associates trans women with sexual predators.
It's fine to discuss the reality of how the existence of trans people affects us (ie. not at all), but as you say, the trans people you meet just want to get on with their lives quietly.
Can they? Largely not. The next step is to consider why not.
icowden
Squire
No, I frequently associate sexual predators with pretending to be transwomen.
I would submit that there is a noisy cohort of people who are sending death and rape threats to anyone who decides that maybe a discussion needs to be had about women's rights to safe spaces, to play sport fairly etc, as well as organising protests to shut down anyone who offers an alternative point of view or asks for a discussion.
The reason that "Let Women Speak" exists is because of the above. The extremist views of LWS are pretty much outlined here;-
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/17158/pdf/
Spoiler: They don't seem to be that extreme.
Similarly JK Rowling is vilified and called a transphobe, send death threats, rape threats, threats of violence etc for supporting the notion that some women are concerned about law changes that might affect their safety. Transwomen like India Willoughby like to get on their high horse about being "deadnamed" despite horrific posts threatening to kidnap or attack people such as JK Rowling.
It's a simple fact of life. If you ban someone from performing, more people will want to see that person performing. The more that the purse clutching "transwomen will die if this person performs" brigade try to shut people down, the more vocal those people will get and the more the issue will escalate. Very few of the people who the issues are actually about - i.e. transgender people with genuine dysphoria issues - will benefit or get involved, and has been mentioned before, will probably see an increase in hate attacks.
I'd suggest that it isn't LWS fanning the flames it's the pro-trans extremists egged on by the press and by organisations wanting to be oversensitive, terrified that saying the wrong thing will affect sales. See Hogwarts Legacy and the Gaming Press for more details.
