Gender again. Sorry!

[AuroraSaab]

The ruling has made it clear that a GRC isn't, and wasn't, the admission ticket some individuals and organisations claimed it was.

As I understand it a GRC allows you to get a reissued birth certificate in your new name and as male or female, and allows a marriage certificate to reflect your identity not sex, which might be important to some people. It allows someone to have a death certificate with their chosen sex on.

I think it retains value as something that some people may feel gives them personal validation.

 

[Xipe Totec]

The ruling has made it clear that a GRC isn't, and wasn't, the admission ticket some individuals and organisations claimed it was.

As I understand it a GRC allows you to get a reissued birth certificate in your new name and as male or female, and allows a marriage certificate to reflect your identity not sex, which might be important to some people. It allows someone to have a death certificate with their chosen sex on.

I think it retains value as something that some people may feel gives them personal validation.

Stop talking facts to MAGAndy when he's in the middle of feeling so empowered & masculine by his newfound ability to mock & belittle all those pathetic, cross-dressing little girlymen that he despises so much.

He hasn't felt this good since last time he lobbed a burning bin at a family of refugees.

 

[CXRAndy]

 

[AuroraSaab]

People wouldn't be gloating so much if they hadn't been subject to so much vitriol and abuse for a decade. There has been plenty of trans activists rubbing women's noses in it for years eg posts and videos of trans identifying men in women's toilets saying 'What are you going to do about it?'.

You're prone to the hyperbolic language yourself so a bit cheeky to complain about finding another poster a little bit extra. Apart from which you've never suggested those posters who call people c*nts or similar should take it down a notch, so I can only assume your outrage is performative and selective.

 

[Ian H]

Kishwer Falkner, chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), has described yesterday’s supreme court ruling as “a victory for common sense, but only if you recognise that trans people exist.”
Speaking on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, Falkner said:
It’s a victory for common sense, but only if you recognise that trans people exist. They have rights, and their rights must be respected – then it becomes a victory for common sense.
It’s not a victory for an increase in unpleasant actions against trans people. We will not tolerate that. We stand here to defend trans people as much as we do anyone else. So I want to make that very clear.
She stressed that trans people are still protected by law regarding gender reassignment and sex discrimination,'

 

[icowden]

Nah. Disabled toilets are for those with a disability, just like women's toilets are for women.

But how do you know?

I was at Naples airport last week. There was a huge queue for the ladies and an italian attendant was liberally chucking women out of / preventing access to, the disabled toilet. My daughter is registered disabled but you wouldn't know it from looking at her. She was too intimidated to even try and use it.

 

[CXRAndy]

The ruling has made it clear that a GRC isn't, and wasn't, the admission ticket some individuals and organisations claimed it was.

As I understand it a GRC allows you to get a reissued birth certificate in your new name and as male or female, and allows a marriage certificate to reflect your identity not sex, which might be important to some people. It allows someone to have a death certificate with their chosen sex on.

I think it retains value as something that some people may feel gives them personal validation.

Why though, it was used as a priority pass to get into women's spaces. Self ID just was a piggy back entitlement to gain the similar access without the probation period.

Now these pieces of paper and entitlements have been reduced to pulp, I will delighted when the whole trans episode dwindles into a tiny hole. Normal people no longer have to talk about it.

Hooray

 

[Psamathe]

But how do you know?

I was at Naples airport last week. There was a huge queue for the ladies and an italian attendant was liberally chucking women out of / preventing access to, the disabled toilet. My daughter is registered disabled but you wouldn't know it from looking at her. She was too intimidated to even try and use it.

Bit off-topic and probably doesn't apply to the majority of such toilets (and not those in Naples airport) but in the UK, make sure she is aware of carrying a Radar key (is appropriate to her disability).

Ian

 

[AuroraSaab]

But how do you know?

I was at Naples airport last week. There was a huge queue for the ladies and an italian attendant was liberally chucking women out of / preventing access to, the disabled toilet. My daughter is registered disabled but you wouldn't know it from looking at her. She was too intimidated to even try and use it.

You don't know, but the social contract means that most people respect that the toilets are for disabled use only so it's usally fair to assume someone wanting to use them has a disability. (Disabled toilets are single person enclosed rooms so the safeguarding/privacy concerns don't apply even if an able bodied person used them; it's an inconvenience issue, not a safeguarding one). It's able bodied people using them that undermines the convention that the people using them have a disability.

 

[CXRAndy]

She's right, Politicians enabled this

Why did it take so long to right this wrong


View: https://x.com/ThatAlexWoman/status/1912468462204485701?t=kUoLYI29-XWJgLq6RgkqJA&s=19

 

[monkers]

Breaking News - Supreme Court begins toiletgedden. People scream with excitement.

 

[icowden]

You don't know, but the social contract means that most people respect that the toilets are for disabled use only so it's usally fair to assume someone wanting to use them has a disability

But they don't. It's another illustration of what @monkers pointed out which is that it's judged on whether you "Look" a certain way.
It's very common for people with invisible disabilities to be accused of not being disabled, just as butch lesbians can often be challenged as to whether they are women.

 

[classic33]

Why though, it was used as a priority pass to get into women's spaces. Self ID just was a piggy back entitlement to gain the similar access without the probation period.

Now these pieces of paper and entitlements have been reduced to pulp, I will delighted when the whole trans episode dwindles into a tiny hole. Normal people* no longer have to talk about it.

Hooray

*Define "normal people"?

 

[classic33]

You don't know, but the social contract means that most people respect that the toilets are for disabled use only so it's usally fair to assume someone wanting to use them has a disability. (Disabled toilets are single person enclosed rooms so the safeguarding/privacy concerns don't apply even if an able bodied person used them; it's an inconvenience issue, not a safeguarding one). It's able bodied people using them that undermines the convention that the people using them have a disability.

Toilets for a disabled person are usually built with enough room to take two people and still leave room for a mobility aid.
Some in wheelchairs need extra help in getting out of and back into the wheelchair.

 

[AndyRM]

Nah. Disabled toilets are for those with a disability, just like women's toilets are for women.



Never been a problem for you, you mean. Once again, you assume consent from women and girls just because you don't mind.

Never been a problem there because there hasn't been one.