Gender again. Sorry!

[bobzmyunkle]

You give them too much credit. They are older men who feel somewhat redundant because they don't get to have the same degree of control over women that they used to. They need to catch up.

I hope you're not including me in this daft argument, just because I said 'some doctors last week said there is no such thing as biological sex' was absolutely risible.

 

[mickle]

Yes. I see you Mickle. I've seen how you are so inadequate in critical thinking, now I see you inadequate as a man. A real man knows what a woman is, because real men can think.

Did you just presume my gender? I'm outraged. Outraged i tells thee.

 

[monkers]

I hope you're not including me in this daft argument, just because I said 'some doctors last week said there is no such thing as biological sex' was absolutely risible.

Well if you want to pretend that your own medical scientific knowledge is superior to the collective knowledge of some 5000 doctors at the BMA, then be prepared for me to treat you with equal suspicion.

Maybe you can educate me and show me where ''biological sex'' is defined in law so that it cuts across all primary legislation?

 

[monkers]

Did you just presume my gender? I'm outraged. Outraged i tells thee.

Apologies thing. I forgot your surname is Adams.

Your medieval language betrays your medieval thinking.

 

[CXRAndy]

collective knowledge of some 5000 doctors at the BMA

Wasn't it just a committee suggested not 5000 doctors against the supreme court judgement

 

[monkers]

It's the opposite. They understand that the basis of women's oppression is sex - ie their sexed body, not what they feel in their head.

This is why you are deliberately confusing differentiation for reduction. Saying men and women are different does not reduce us to those differences. It suits you to say it does in order to pretend that sex doesn't matter and therefore somehow men can be women. They can't.

They can and they do. This is expressly why you don't like it!

 

[classic33]

Biologists now think there is a larger spectrum than just binary female and male

 

[AuroraSaab]

It wasn't the BMA. It was a motion passed by the committee - which seems to be half a dozen people - at the resident doctors conference. Of the 60k resident doctors in the UK I'd be interested in how many would have supported it if they'd had chance to vote.

It's another example of a few activists directing an institution for their personal ideology.

https://www.bmj.com/content/389/bmj.r900.full

 

[monkers]

Wasn't it just a committee suggested not 5000 doctors against the supreme court judgement

Yes, but bear in mind (if that's possible for you) that the members elect the committee members as their voice. So you might say that you didn't get to vote for them, which is fair, but it is also fair to say that I didn't get a vote to elect the members of the committee of the EHRC.

I don't know how many committee members there are, or what the voting outcome was, but it was carried.

But I'll be gentle with you on this occasion and just ask you to consider something very carefully - if you or a member of your family needed a heart transplant, would you rather trust a consultant heart surgeon or 100 morons that drink at the Moon and Stars?

In these cases of such specialism, you can't say, I polled drinking pals at the pub and they agreed ''yeh, it's common sense innit''. The specialist opinion is obviously superior.

 

[monkers]

It wasn't the BMA. It was a motion passed by the committee - which seems to be half a dozen people - at the resident doctors conference. Of the 60k resident doctors in the UK I'd be interested in how many would have supported it if they'd had chance to vote.

It's another example of a few activists directing an institution for their personal ideology.

https://www.bmj.com/content/389/bmj.r900.full

The members elect the committee members to represent them. It's called a functioning democracy.

You can't just call everybody who knows better than you ''an activist'' and expect me to think that a credible opinion.

Sure some doctors would rather protect a reputation in a hostile environment.

“destroying trust in medicine and perpetuating the profession’s long history of misogyny.”

Otherwise as the article makes clear, the noise is coming from anti-trans campaign groups.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Biologists now think there is a larger spectrum than just binary female and male

The author of that article is Claire Ainsworth ....

She doesn't think there are more than 2 sexes. The article is about the medical condition called dsds and nothing to do with men who don't have one of these medical conditions having access to women's spaces.

 

[AuroraSaab]

The members elect the committee members to represent them. It's called a functioning democracy.

You can't just call everybody who knows better than you ''an activist'' and expect me to think that a credible opinion.

Sure some doctors would rather protect a reputation in a hostile environment.


Otherwise as the article makes clear, the noise is coming from anti-trans campaign groups.

Half a dozen people on a committee do not represent the views of 60k doctors - nevermind the whole BMA - and saying 'they were elected' does not make it so however desperate you are to give this activist driven announcement some kind of status.

At this stage, as it all implodes, you have to grasp at whatever straws you can I suppose.

 

[classic33]

The author of that article is Claire Ainsworth ....

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Note, one of the authors of that article.

 

[monkers]

Half a dozen people on a committee do not represent the views of 60k doctors - nevermind the whole BMA - and saying 'they were elected' does not make it so however desperate you are to give this activist driven announcement some kind of status.

At this stage, as it all implodes, you have to grasp at whatever straws you can I suppose.

It was a dozen. Clearly democracy is another concept alien to you.

 

[classic33]