Gender again. Sorry!

[mickle]

Seriously, this is farking comedy gold

 

[monkers]

It's only because I'm against doxxing in principle that I don't put the evidence on here.

I didn't actively seek you out. You posted a nasty comment about lesbians on Twitter several years ago and, because of your role at the time, it still pops up on there occasionally even though you deleted your account. It was also a bit daft to use the same avatar photo on CC as on so much other material in the public domain. It was also daft to link to a blog from here where you've put a comment in your own name.

The arguments stand on their own merits so I don't care under which identity you make them. It must be exhausting being you.

I've never had a Twitter account. You are mistaken. I don't believe monkers had one either.

As for the rest, I don't know what you are talking about.

 

[CXRAndy]

You see, children just know


View: https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1946691261462642951?t=-Nr5afhG3aPXzpsjUvj9Tg&s=19

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/HJoyceGender/status/1946454835974279477?t=oqf05wOs9PswVzr9NQx63Q&s=19

 

[Poacher]

It's laughable that 6ft 2" York thinks that both he and 6ft 2" Emily Bridges have no innate advantage over women cyclists because, well, sometimes women are tall too.

No. I've seen drag acts. The quality of the show isn't the issue. The fact that Paul Robeson was a fine singer doesn't mitigate the fact that he performed in blackface.

It's your perogative to swallow whatever is posted on here hook, line, and sinker if you wish. I'm sure someone else will eventually enlighten you in full.

So true!

 

[monkers]

So true!

Save for the fact that it isn't. Otherwise it is as you might expect.

 

[CXRAndy]

There seems to be some who know of Monkers from other sites in the past, have more details etc.

It seems rather a coincidence one is floats away, just as the newbie turns up under the same user name.

🤔

 

[icowden]

I will answer your question Ian. Firstly I need to know if you are asking a legal question or asking for personal opinion as a trans woman?

Your personal opinion. We have lots of opinions on here, but you are the only person who actually has lived experience. However as I have said before - please only answer if you are comfortable doing do.

 

[AuroraSaab]

So true!

Apart from picking up a couple of unintentional - but mainly irrelevant - errors I made recently, your only meaningful contribution to this thread has been to say men should be allowed in women's prisons if they've been castrated. That's literally the depth of your thinking on these issues.

 

[icowden]

No nurses were asked if they minded Upton sharing the changing rooms. After he complained about Peggie no nurses were asked for their opinion. He could have changed in the female doctors changing room. He chose to use the female nurses changing rooms. There are class issues here - doctors considered superior to nurses - as well as sex issues.

That wasn't what I said. Of course they weren't. What would be more interesting is whether other nurses felt the same way towards Dr Upton or not. I'm not sure if it was specifically the "Female Nurses changing room" or whether it was the "Female changing room" mostly used by Nurses.

Ian, what do you think to Upton's statement that if a woman or girl asked for a female doctor and was given him, he wouldn't tell her and wouldn't excuse himself unless she specifically complained? Even if she was a rape victim or had heavy bleeding that required intimate examination. I think it shows what kind of man he is.

At the very least it shows him to be a terrible doctor. Doctors have a duty of care to ensure that their patients are comfortable and happy. That said, Dr Upton is an A&E or ED doctor. Intimate examination is unlikely and people in ED generally couldn't care less who is examining them as long as they stop the pain and /or put them back together.

It's another case of NC being slightly disingenous as someone experiencing sexual violence is not likely to be examined by an ED doctor but by an on call Obs/Gyn Consultant along with a Police Surgeon specialising in sexual assaults. As Dr Upton rightly says, the doctor explains the exam and asks the patient if they are comfortable continuing - it isn't required that you explain your sexuality or gender. Your doctor could be female and also a lesbian. If the patient is not comfortable then you find out why and act accordingly.

I don't think Dr UPton comes across very well though.

 

[monkers]

So true!

York isn't 6ft 2, but close to the average of 5ft 10 for riders that they competed with. Bridges is 6ft 2, but as any tall rider will tell you that when riding in a group or the peloton is a disadvantage.

A glance at the GCN crew will expose the truth, the 'boys' all want to ride on the wheel of 6ft 8 Conor Dunne, while nobody want to ride on the wheel of Hank. For Emily Bridges at 6ft 2, riding in women's competition, that's a significant disadvantage quite possibly about equal to any retained male advantage - but that is kind of consideration is neglected in discussion of balance.

Otherwise you made a collage that conflates physiology, outward appearance, privilege and misdirection as evidence that the abstract that nestles comfortably in the surreal rather than make valid point. No offence intended.

 

[monkers]

There seems to be some who know of Monkers from other sites in the past, have more details etc.

It seems rather a coincidence one is floats away, just as the newbie turns up under the same user name.

🤔

You work from the initial assumption that the story teller knows the truth and is telling the truth - that's not the best place start from given that person's known relationship with truth.

It wasn't the case that monkers just floated away, her illness and prognosis was detailed here some 18 months before she passed, and before this narrative of knowing stuff, but not ''going to dox you'' began. My existence was first mentioned a couple of years ago, and I occasionally posted, sometime with news concerning monker's health - all easily checkable in this place and I'm sure readily confirmed by others.

What we are seeing are veiled threats of exposure of pretended knowledge trying to get rid of a person with the ability to dissect her nonsense.

But this is where we are at isn't Andy? Faced with somebody who can bring the evidence and cut across your falsehoods and your malice with the clear eye of somebody trained to do so, you take on the crumpled persona of a deflated balloon, What you are experiencing is like the trauma of a child whose toys have been taken away. It was inevitable given just how facile your contributions are.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Intimate examination is unlikely and people in ED generally couldn't care less who is examining them as long as they stop the pain and /or put them back together.

I don't think that's true. I certainly don't think it's true of women and girls who have experienced trauma like previous sexual assault or of women from religions that forbid contact with males.

As Dr Upton rightly says, the doctor explains the exam and asks the patient if they are comfortable continuing - it isn't required that you explain your sexuality or gender.

Huge difference between being examined by a woman that's a lesbian and being examined a man. A person's sexuality is often imperceptible and not relevant anyway. The sex of the person examining you very much is. Why should it be up to the patient - who's in a vulnerable position - to verbally challenge the man who turns up when they've asked for a female doctor? When someone is scared and vulnerable they're unlikely to want to jeopardise their care by objecting. This shouldn't be interpreted as consent.

 

[CXRAndy]

Faced with somebody who can bring the evidence and cut across your falsehoods

Let's get some facts sorted

Is a 'trans woman' (TiM) a female or male?

 

[monkers]

Your personal opinion. We have lots of opinions on here, but you are the only person who actually has lived experience. However as I have said before - please only answer if you are comfortable doing do.

I'll try, everybody's opinion contains the bias that their privilege affords. Checks notes, middle-age white woman, comfortably, university education, enjoys status from vacation, closely follows the external contours of an average cis woman, sometime complimented on her appearance. Downsides, a reluctance to be proximate with others, finding myself in a new situation, a sense of increased isolation without monkers. But I see this all being aimed back at me in the following posts by the usual suspects - those little boys who think that sneering and sniggering from their troll caves believe their behaviours are masculine.

So yes, I have a lot of privilege, possibly more than many trans women. My privately-funded early transition meant that I avoided male puberty, and in a world where I protest that humble brags don't exist, I have passing privilege. I have enormous privilege that I do my best not to wield. It's easy for me to hide in public. Also I live in France now and work in a law office. So I'm very fortunate indeed, and I never lose sight of that. But is any of that male privilege or retained male privilege?

I can go to a swimming pool, but I get free membership to a facility as part of my employment package, and I can change with female work colleagues. If they even think I might have a trans history, they don't say, and I don't tell. So none of this tells you very much from the isolated story of me.

But I am close to other trans women, and there's a few of us in the legal profession. Some have less privilege than me, some have had major difficulties, and a good few years back now, when I was at Uni, one took her own life following a period of harassment. You can see it on this thread, first there was the bullying of monkers, and now the same suspects are attempting the same tactics with me - an attempt to silence truth telling, and block the deconstruction of false narrative.

I don't know if I've covered your question. If there's something more specific you'd like to ask, please direct it via pm.