Gender again. Sorry!

[CXRAndy]

One of my all time favourite films 👍

 

[Ianonabike]

Rather than obey the Supreme Court decision earlier this year, institutions continue to put women and girls at risk.


View: https://x.com/ThePosieParker/status/1980619215829619041

edited to say the council would technically be obeying the decision; but they're not doing the right thing. You can have unisex facilities. What you can't have is a changing room or toilet marked "women" or "men" and insist the opposite sex be allowed entry.

 

[icowden]

Interesting article today on the BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge51zwz384o

This is an employment action launched by 8 Nurses who say that an inclusive policy of allowing a transwoman, Rose Henderson to use the female-only changing room.

Henderson is alleged to have ogled women changing and to have been standing in the changing room half dressed with tight black holey boxer shorts. There seem to be numerous allegations amongst which are that Henderson had stopped transitioning to make their partner pregnant.

The nurses were concerned enough to secretly record a meeting with managers.

On the flip side, they are being supported by lawyers at the Christian Legal Centre. Why is this the flip side? Because the Christian Legal Centre has been involved in many very dubious and frivolous claims including a claim against an art exhibition for exhibiting a statue of Jesus with an erection - the woman making the claim had never been to the exhibition. They also represented a PC who harassed colleagues about homosexuality using bible passages. Their most high profile case was that of Alfie Evans where they gave false hope to his parents - the Judge ruled that the submissions by CLC were littered with vituperation and bile. They repeated the exercise with Archie Battersbee, again prolonging the child's suffering against the wishes of the doctors involved in his care. There are many questions about their funding and activities which are essentially based on far right evangelical Christianity.

Their involvement in this case therefore is (for me anyway) a huge red flag.

So we have someone claiming to be a transwoman whom 8 nurses say has carried out a campaign of harassment but who are represented by a highly dubious legal team.

DIscuss!

 

[mickle]

Interesting article today on the BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge51zwz384o

This is an employment action launched by 8 Nurses who say that an inclusive policy of allowing a transwoman, Rose Henderson to use the female-only changing room.

Henderson is alleged to have ogled women changing and to have been standing in the changing room half dressed with tight black holey boxer shorts. There seem to be numerous allegations amongst which are that Henderson had stopped transitioning to make their partner pregnant.

The nurses were concerned enough to secretly record a meeting with managers.

On the flip side, they are being supported by lawyers at the Christian Legal Centre. Why is this the flip side? Because the Christian Legal Centre has been involved in many very dubious and frivolous claims including a claim against an art exhibition for exhibiting a statue of Jesus with an erection - the woman making the claim had never been to the exhibition. They also represented a PC who harassed colleagues about homosexuality using bible passages. Their most high profile case was that of Alfie Evans where they gave false hope to his parents - the Judge ruled that the submissions by CLC were littered with vituperation and bile. They repeated the exercise with Archie Battersbee, again prolonging the child's suffering against the wishes of the doctors involved in his care. There are many questions about their funding and activities which are essentially based on far right evangelical Christianity.

Their involvement in this case therefore is (for me anyway) a huge red flag.

So we have someone claiming to be a transwoman whom 8 nurses say has carried out a campaign of harassment but who are represented by a highly dubious legal team.

DIscuss!

For reference, this is 'Rose' Henderson.

 

[CXRAndy]

That's a dude

 

[mickle]

This is about “Rose” Henderson’s father, Dale. Rose is the male nurse in the Darlington nurses case. VERY strong whiff of Aimee Knight (née Challenor) family dynamics.

“Dale Henderson (also referred to as Dale Alan Henderson in court records), a former nurse from Darlington who was himself employed in the NHS. He was arrested in connection with historical child sex offenses dating back to the 1970s and 1980s, when he was a teenager and young adult. The charges stemmed from allegations by multiple victims, including family acquaintances. Arrest and Initial Charges (October 2024): Dale Henderson, then 62, was charged with:

Indecent assault on a girl under 14.

Two counts of gross indecency with a boy under 14.

Inciting a girl under 14 to commit an act of gross indecency.

Attempted rape of a female under 16.

He appeared at Teesside Magistrates' Court on Oct 28, 2024, and was granted unconditional bail. He was suspended from his nursing role by the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) pending the case.

Trial Commencement (June 2025): The trial began on June 9, 2025, at Teesside Crown Court. Henderson denied all charges. Prosecutors described the offenses as occurring during his youth, involving grooming and abuse of children known to him. He was held in custody during the trial.

On August 15, 2025, Henderson was found guilty on all counts after a two-week trial. The judge highlighted the "prolonged and serious" nature of the abuse, noting the victims' bravery in coming forward decades later. He was sentenced to 12 years in prison, with an extended license period of 8 years post-release, and required to register as a sex offender for life. The court also imposed a Sexual Harm Prevention Order.

Dale Henderson is currently serving his sentence in a UK prison. No appeals or further updates have been reported as of October 22, 2025. The case received local coverage in Teesside but gained wider attention due to its connection to the Darlington nurses' tribunal. This family link has been cited by some commentators as adding context to concerns about safeguarding in the NHS, though it is not directly part of the tribunal proceedings.”

- GROK

 

[AuroraSaab]

So we have someone claiming to be a transwoman whom 8 nurses say has carried out a campaign of harassment but who are represented by a highly dubious legal team.

DIscuss!

You could just consider the merits of the case rather than dismissing it because you don't like who is in part supporting the (very expensive) cost of bringing the case.

Many of the legal cases around trans activism are funded by partisan organisations like the Good Law Project here or the ACLU in the US. Nobody seems to mind that.

Stats from the Tavistock clinic showed that children referred to Gids were ten times more likely than the national average to have a registered sex offender as a parent.

 

[monkers]

Rather than obey the Supreme Court decision earlier this year, institutions continue to put women and girls at risk.


View: https://x.com/ThePosieParker/status/1980619215829619041

edited to say the council would technically be obeying the decision; but they're not doing the right thing. You can have unisex facilities. What you can't have is a changing room or toilet marked "women" or "men" and insist the opposite sex be allowed entry.

The Posie Parker comments include a lot of whataboutery including attempting guilt by association with actual criminals.

With regard to the Supreme Court, they used the word ''can'' but make reference to legal bars rather than a blanket ban. The interim EHRC guidelines were never made statutory and have been withdrawn - that is at least, taken down from their website. The guidelines are to be tested in court for lawfulness in the near future. This has the effect of causing authorities to want to wait and see rather than writing and implementing unlawful policies.

 

[monkers]

You could just consider the merits of the case rather than dismissing it because you don't like who is in part supporting the (very expensive) cost of bringing the case.

Many of the legal cases around trans activism are funded by partisan organisations like the Good Law Project.

What you have said in your first sentence is fair enough as an opinion, but the value of the following opinion expressed in the second sentence is negated by the effect of the first, or the other way round.

 

[AuroraSaab]

This has the effect of causing authorities to want to wait and see rather than writing and implementing unlawful policies.

The law has been made very clear by the supreme court. The guidance has been removed in preparation for the permanent code.

The only reason some councils and organisations are waiting is because they are afraid of the backlash from trans activists.

 

[icowden]

You could just consider the merits of the case rather than dismissing it because you don't like who is in part supporting the (very expensive) cost of bringing the case.

I disagree. Take a look at the CLP - there is a Wikipedia page on them. They lose a huge number of cases and represent people for their own interests not the interests of their client. Employment tribunals are not hugely expensive.

Many of the legal cases around trans activism are funded by partisan organisations like the Good Law Project here or the ACLU in the US. Nobody seems to mind that.

The Good Law Project isn't totally unbalanced and pernicious, and neither is the ACLU.

Stats from the Tavistock clinic showed that children referred to Gids were ten times more likely than the national average to have a registered sex offender as a parent.

That does not in turn suggest that the children were destined to be sex offenders. There does seem to be some correlation between childhood abuse and trauma and the desire to be someone else - i.e. change gender. I do think that that is an area which would benefit from greater research.

Very little information is given about Henderson, but it does still support my notion that there are two strands to being a transwoman. There are definitively people who wish to be the other gender, who feel uncomfortable about who they are and the physicality of their own body, and for whom the ultimate "safe" solution is some form of transition. These people tend not to be aggressors. There then appears to be another strand where the desire to become trans isn't coupled with the desire to actually transition but where the person is using it as a sexual kink. At one end I'd suggest that this is where the "trans rapist" type sits. It is suggested by the Nurses that Henderson falls into the sexual pervert category, and that does appear to be borne out by the sleuthing of @mickle

 

[AuroraSaab]

The Good Law Project isn't totally unbalanced and pernicious, and neither is the ACLU.

Jolyon Maughan has a trans identifying child. The GLP has definitely gone down the trans activism route. The ACLU have been predominantly trans activists for 10 years. There is more money and grants to be had from this kind of activism than from old fashioned civil rights campaigning.

That does not in turn suggest that the children were destined to be sex offenders. There does seem to be some correlation between childhood abuse and trauma and the desire to be someone else - i.e. change gender. I do think that that is an area which would benefit from greater research.

If a child has grown up in a house where, for example, sexualised behaviour is common, pornography is common, sexual talk is common, it would be no surprise that that a female child might want to run away from being seen as a sexual object by adopting a male identity, or a male child might develop paraphilias around sexual behaviour.

That the Tavistock didn't join the dots on this and all the other red flag stats (high % autistic, same sex attracted) and see that these children needed complex psychological support not puberty blockers is a medical scandal.

There are definitively people who wish to be the other gender, who feel uncomfortable about who they are and the physicality of their own body, and for whom the ultimate "safe" solution is some form of transition. These people tend not to be aggressors. There then appears to be another strand where the desire to become trans isn't coupled with the desire to actually transition but where the person is using it as a sexual kink.

They're still all men though. There are lots of lovely harmless men around. They have no business being in women's spaces any more than the not so lovely ones do.

 

[CXRAndy]

Looks like Wiltshire council are captured by trans ideology


View: https://x.com/WiltsAnnabelle/status/1980926845118779816?t=QnMrWTeduCUA2qfMci2Kgg&s=19

 

[monkers]

The law has been made very clear by the supreme court. The guidance has been removed in preparation for the permanent code.

The only reason some councils and organisations are waiting is because they are afraid of the backlash from trans activists.

That is not quite the case and your opinions are simply that, opinions supported by presumption alone.

There are parts of the Supreme Court judgment that don't quite hang together.

The law is whatever parliament intended. There are a range of tests of law which should be applied. There are a number of lawyers, many eminent and much above my pay grade who have set out those tests. In plain English, the UKSC are felt by some/many not to have adequately considered:
a) what parliament had intended to say in the legislation.
b) the rights for both sides to be heard
c) human rights considerations from the UK Human Rights Act
d) human rights considerations from prior ECtHR judgments and directives.
e) the lineage between precedent and subsequent acts made in primary legislation.
e) real world practicalities that result from their judgment.

Therefore the legal test that has prevailed then is instead a scholarly approach to good draftsmanship of the law. The legal argument then is to whether the EqA is subject to the same precedent as prior law. The criticism of the the judgment is that the aim of the EqA as set out could not be a comfortable fit with precedent since this was an act to harmonise a number of acts under a common umbrella, and that the dual discrimination article within that Bill under parliament advanced from a Bill to Act with Royal Assent.

Lawyers tend to be happy to approve the judgment of the UKSC but professional standards lead to being more tight lipped where they feel the justices may have erred - this being one such case.

The eminent human rights lawyers, Michael O'Flaherty has written to the relevant people in UK government with his concerns. The implicit message within is that the UKSC have in effect 'legislated from the bench'. In the meantime the report on the admissibility of the MCloud submission will send further rumblings through the system.

Part of the nervousness at present is due to the Labour Party deputy leadership election, since the winner will have influence on any approach to a resolution attempted by the government. The two contenders are known to have differing views.

It is right and proper for the Good Law Project to challenge the interim guidance in the meantime without any partisan accusations against either it or Jolyon Maugham KC.

 

[CXRAndy]

There are parts of the Supreme Court judgment that don't quite hang together

Thats your opinion.

The judgement has been made.