Gender again. Sorry!

[monkers]

The BBC took it down from their BBC Teach website in 2021 after being available for 2 years. You can probably find it on YouTube or archived somewhere. There's a clip in this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...-programme-tells-9-year-olds-100-genders.html

"One section of the film includes a pupil asking: 'How many gender identities are there?' It is answered by 'Kate', described as an RSE [Relationships and Sex Education] teacher, who tells two children: 'There are so many gender identities. So we know we have got male and female, but there are over 100 if not more gender identities now."

Perhaps you need to write with more coherence or stop using AI if you want your posts to make sense.

2021? And here's you still banging on about it on a cycling forum four years later. Jeez. Get some perspective.

Is that unCopilot enough for you?

 

[AuroraSaab]

It's a position that trans activists have pushed for years, and continue to push, so let's not pretend its only appearance was in a BBC film for schoolchildren, or that it isn't still pushed on pro trans sites.

Oh and it's important because it puts ideas in the heads of vulnerable kids. It's in your interests to wave it away but the damage has already been done.

 

[classic33]

It's a position that trans activists have pushed for years, and continue to push, so let's not pretend its only appearance was in a BBC film for schoolchildren, or that it isn't still pushed on pro trans sites.

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Oh and it's important because it puts ideas in the heads of vulnerable kids. It's in your interests to wave it away but the damage has already been done.

Think you need to press that button on that screenshot.

You still leave the EXIF data on them.

 

[monkers]

It's a position that trans activists have pushed for years, and continue to push, so let's not pretend its only appearance was in a BBC film for schoolchildren, or that it isn't still pushed on pro trans sites.

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Oh and it's important because it puts ideas in the heads of vulnerable kids. It's in your interests to wave it away but the damage has already been done.

I don't know what you hope to have achieved here, I'm not somebody who has advocated any of this. But let's look at this list of so-called objectionable terms.

Gender - a term used by you so frequently that you've practically worn it out. It isn't some modern fangled term either is it.

Cisgender - the majority of people who say that their sense of self is that their born sex and the social construct built around that are the same.

Butch and femme relate to appearance and are longstanding identities used by lesbians not transgender people.

Androgenous is a dress sense preferred by people who choose not appear masculine or feminine.

Demi means not fully attached to a sense of having a gender identity - so perhaps closer to your story than mine.

Xenogender where xeno actually does mean strange. Not a word I've ever spoken, and not I word I've previously typed. Neither have I never understood men who marry their cars or the one case I read where a chap married a wall. But then I don't waste my life on the internet objecting to them doing so. It has no impact on other people.

As for me, I now feel quite boring. I have a trans history, have always felt that my place in the world is to exist as a woman. I look like any other woman of my age. People don't see me as anyone but a woman. You wouldn't notice me. My existence has no negative impact on your life. In order to make your point, you rely on making everything up. You've committed your life to invention.

But you came here objecting about a programme that was deleted four years ago that people have not seen and can not see, but seeking agreement with you. Why, just why?

 

[icowden]

But you came here objecting about a programme that was deleted four years ago that people have not seen and can not see, but seeking agreement with you. Why, just why?

I think it's because the BBC once made a programme based on the perceived wisdom of the time based on the output of Stonewall, and were trying to be both educational and informative whilst embracing what were perhaps new concepts.

It turns out to have been misguided and the programme has now been withdrawn. It's not the first programme to be withdrawn nor will it be the last. Apparently we should all be outraged that it was made in the first place. It could, of course, have been done better. The BBC has always tended to get a little overwrought. Instead of "There are 72 or more gender identities", they should have said "Some people say that there are 72 or more gender identities. This is because lots of different people feel different in different ways. You may agree or disagree with this, but in a functional society we try to respect the beliefs of other people. Gender and sexuality can feel confusing, not just for adolescents but all the way into adulthood".

Something like that.

 

[CXRAndy]

Well if I follow your thinking then, astrology is too unscientific, Stonehenge then has no cultural relevance, the site should be bulldozed and the waste material should be put in the ground as the foundation for a road across it. Just as you would bulldoze Stonehenge, you bulldoze your way across the culture and society of everybody else because you have no appreciation of it.

And I never so much as mentioned the EHRC.

You're trying to argue stonehenge and trans ideology

At least the people who built stonehenge followed science (moon and sun alignments).

Trans ideology has no basis in anything except feelings, which can now be seasonal according one of your exponents

 

[AndyRM]

"Stonehenge followed science"

Lol.

Nobody actually has a clue about it.

 

[CXRAndy]

"Stonehenge followed science"

Lol.

Nobody actually has a clue about it.

So why does the arrangement of stones align ever so nicely with our celestial bodies, solstices, lunar standstills?

Sheer whimsical luck I guess.

 

[AndyRM]

That's only one theory. Others are available.

 

[monkers]

I think it's because the BBC once made a programme based on the perceived wisdom of the time based on the output of Stonewall, and were trying to be both educational and informative whilst embracing what were perhaps new concepts.

It turns out to have been misguided and the programme has now been withdrawn. It's not the first programme to be withdrawn nor will it be the last. Apparently we should all be outraged that it was made in the first place. It could, of course, have been done better. The BBC has always tended to get a little overwrought. Instead of "There are 72 or more gender identities", they should have said "Some people say that there are 72 or more gender identities. This is because lots of different people feel different in different ways. You may agree or disagree with this, but in a functional society we try to respect the beliefs of other people. Gender and sexuality can feel confusing, not just for adolescents but all the way into adulthood".

Something like that.

Yes understood. My only point here is that the film is deleted without us having seen it. I can't possibly comment because I haven't seen it - it was deleted four or more years ago. Somehow, Aurora feels I have some responsibility. I'm certain I have none.

 

[CXRAndy]

UK needs a law like this, clear and concise


View: https://x.com/Riley_Gaines_/status/1996729434431279251?t=-QfYaMgad5XmGNPWEpIkgA&s=19

 

[AndyRM]

Whoever printed braille on that is a bona fide genius.

 

[AndyRM]

Also, what do trans men do?

Because surely as they're actually women going into the gents is dangerous?

 

[AuroraSaab]

Not everything is about you. Nobody said you're responsible for BBC output. It remains irresponsible for trans activists to push the idea that there are myriad sexes/genders/sexualities on impressionable children and young people. It's pseudo science, it's harmful, and along with many other organisations the BBC followed unevidenced propaganda from Stonewall and the likes of Gendered Intelligence and promoted it. It continues to be promoted.

Instead of "There are 72 or more gender identities", they should have said "Some people say that there are 72 or more gender identities. This is because lots of different people feel different in different ways. You may agree or disagree with this, but in a functional society we try to respect the beliefs of other people. Gender and sexuality can feel confusing, not just for adolescents but all the way into adulthood".

Something like that.

Why should the BBC be promoting gender identity as an unquestioned belief in any way? They wouldn't do the same for astrology. They aren't the media branch of Stonewall.

I don't know what you hope to have achieved here, I'm not somebody who has advocated any of this. But let's look at this list of so-called objectionable terms.

You've said gender is innate. Surely xenogender is innate if the individual says that's what their gender is? Everybody can see it's nonsense.

I have a trans history, have always felt that my place in the world is to exist as a woman. I look like any other woman of my age. People don't see me as anyone but a woman. You wouldn't notice me. My existence has no negative impact on your life. In order to make your point, you rely on making everything up. You've committed your life to invention.

You have no idea how others genuinely perceive you. None of us do. The ideas you promote and your pushing for male inclusion in women's spaces has a negative impact on my life and that of other women and girls. Stop pretending it doesn't.

'You've committed your life to invention' must be the most ironic thing I've ever read.

But you came here objecting about a programme that was deleted four years ago that people have not seen and can not see, but seeking agreement with you. Why, just why?

Why have you spent years on here pushing for men to be in women's spaces? Why, just why?

 

[monkers]

You have no idea how others genuinely perceive you. None of us do. The ideas you promote and your pushing for male inclusion in women's spaces has a negative impact on my life and that of other women and girls. Stop pretending it doesn't.

I absolutely have zero impact on your life. I doubt we've ever been closer than a hundred miles of each other. Stop pretending It otherwise.