Gender again. Sorry!

[monkers]

Why have you spent years on here pushing for men to be in women's spaces? Why, just why?

I haven't. i have been here for a much shorter time than you. What I have done is challenge your false statements.

I have zero resistance to truth being told, and a very high resistance to falsehoods being told.

I remember seeing you and Mickle being very busy absolutely lying through teeth about trans prisoners for one example.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Also, what do trans men do?

Because surely as they're actually women going into the gents is dangerous?

Why not advocate for 3rd mixed sex spaces? If trans identifying women use men's spaces it's at their own risk. Funny that men are a risk to women in that situation though but apparently a man going into women's toilets or changing rooms is no risk to women at all.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I haven't. i have been here for a much shorter time than you. What I have done is challenge your false statements. I have zero resistance to truth being told, and a very high resistance to falsehoods being told.

I'm not joining in the pretence about who you now claim to be on here.

I remember seeing you and Mickle being very busy absolutely lying through teeth about trans prisoners for one example.

No lies. Just Ministry of Justice stats. Trans identifying men offend at the same rate as other men. There are no special subsets of men to whom normal safeguarding should not apply.

https://archive.is/2025.03.26-11220...hirds-of-trans-women-prisoners-sex-offenders/

 

[AndyRM]

Why not advocate for 3rd mixed sex spaces? If trans identifying women use men's spaces it's at their own risk. Funny that men are a risk to women in that situation though but apparently a man going into women's toilets or changing rooms is no risk to women at all.

I believe some people do, but no matter the proposal there's always going to be opposition from somewhere. My personal thought/preference is to just have "toilets" but that's by the by really.

There's not much funny about any of this to be honest.

Other than the printed braille.

 

[monkers]

Why not advocate for 3rd mixed sex spaces? If trans identifying women use men's spaces it's at their own risk. Funny that men are a risk to women in that situation though but apparently a man going into women's toilets or changing rooms is no risk to women at all.

Trans women are not ''trans identifying''. They identify between being women on a social level and biologically male in medical settings where it is relevant.

Safeguarding protocols are a both ways consideration. But, they rely on an evidence base. I can see that the record shows you making claims, but calls for evidence meet with resistance or doubling down with further lies.

Show the extent of the physical or sexual harm caused to women by trans women by use of evidence.

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/1996712650773065969?t=D1p0d0nBubVPYmBCV6p3gg&s=19

 

[AuroraSaab]

The evidence is that trans identifying men are jailed for sex offences at a massively higher rate than women, and at a much higher rate than non trans identifying men. Those are MOJ stats. Perhaps you don't count sexual offending as harm.

Still, cheer up, the WI are going to start special groups where men can get together.

 

[monkers]

I'm not joining in the pretence about who you now claim to be on here.




No lies. Just Ministry of Justice stats. Trans identifying men offend at the same rate as other men. There are no special subsets of men to whom normal safeguarding should not apply.

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https://archive.is/2025.03.26-11220...hirds-of-trans-women-prisoners-sex-offenders/

If I was to be sent to prison in the UK, I would be a serving trans prisoner within that data set.

There are currently 9 trans prisoners according to the latest Ministry of Justice report. My inclusion would raise that number to 10. That number includes trans men and trans women. The ministry does not provide the ratio. Neither does the Ministry provide the data of what offences they have committed or what prisons they are placed in. It is unknown from the data if any of those 9 are committed for sexual offences, and then if they were committed for sexual offences against women. There are no known cases of serving trans women prisoners committing offences against other prisoners.

These are the facts.

Further facts from the ministry. Trans women with a GRC are held at HMP Downview in Surrey in a separate wing (E wing) to the general prison estate.

63 of the transgender prisoners (those without a GRC) held are biological women living as men. Again it is not known what the range of offences are, or which prison they are being held.

 

[CXRAndy]

The evidence is that trans identifying men are jailed for sex offences at a massively higher rate than women, and at a much higher rate than non trans identifying men. Those are MOJ stats. Perhaps you don't count sexual offending as harm.

Still, cheer up, the WI are going to start special groups where men can get together.


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No need, just let them join 'Your Party'

 

[Ianonabike]

I don't know why it has to be continually said, but girls are different from boys. As one example, when my wife got her first period, running out of class in a skirt with a rapidly expanding red patch, she would have been mortified to have to clean up in the toilet with boys around; I seriously doubt it would have been a respectful teaching moment for very immature minds.

 

[AuroraSaab]

If I was to be sent to prison in the UK, I would be a serving trans prisoner within that data set.

There are currently 9 trans prisoners according to the latest Ministry of Justice report. My inclusion would raise that number to 10. That number includes trans men and trans women. The ministry does not provide the ratio. Neither does the Ministry provide the data of what offences they have committed or what prisons they are placed in. It is unknown from the data if any of those 9 are committed for sexual offences, and then if they were committed for sexual offences against women. There are no known cases of serving trans women prisoners committing offences against other prisoners.

These are the facts.

Further fact from the ministry. Trans women with a GRC are held at HMP Downview in Surrey in a separate wing (E wing) to the general prison estate.

Here we go again....

'They're only trans if they have a GRC'.

This has never been the position of any trans activist organisation. It's always been self id, ie 'You are who you say you are' - which is exactly what you said until you realised it means there are a lot of trans identifying men in jail for sex offences.

 

[monkers]

Here we go again....

'They're only trans if they have a GRC'.

This has never been the position of any trans activist organisation. It's always been self id, ie 'You are who you say you are' - which is exactly what you said until you realised it means there are a lot of trans identifying men in jail for sex offences.

That is the only correct approach to interpreting the data when the ministry has cast the cohorts that way.

The cohort that they cast as transgender prisoners contain no person with a GRC. This interpretation is the only way in which the data can be compliant with statute.

For the benefit of those who don't know , 'trans is a recognised abbreviation for the outdated term 'transsexual' rather than the more general and 'umbrella' term of 'transgender'. Yes, I agree the terminology has developed into an unnecessary mess.

 

[AuroraSaab]

No, it's just a way of you wriggling out of the fact that the trans identifying men in UK jails contain a very high ratio of sex offenders.

 

[monkers]

No, it's just a way of you wriggling out of the fact that the trans identifying men in UK jails contain a very high ratio of sex offenders.

No this is your method off falsely portraying trans women with a GRC as a large group who predate on women in women's spaces.

I could explain how this analysis of transgender prisoners (those without a GRC) is misleading through the lens of concurrent sentencing of multiple offences, but what would be the point?

 

[AuroraSaab]

Men with a grc are still men. You need to explain how a piece of paper magically means they should be treated differently from other men with regard to the safeguarding, privacy, and dignity, that single sex spaces provide for women and girls.

No pro trans group has ever said 'You are only trans if you have a grc'.