Gender again. Sorry!

[AuroraSaab]

We now know that the loss of 22 trans lives was a fact, and not the fiction you claimed.

We don't know at all that they were due to the puberty blocker ban. Stop promoting your ghoulish trans-or-die narrative. It's irresponsible.

I remember reading here your denial and you saying that the coroner reports were not coroner reports at all. It took an intervention from @Bromptonaut to settle that.

No, it wasn't settled by Bromptonaut chipping in. They weren't all coroner reports at all - some were news reports and things you'd read on facebook. You continued to claim that you'd seen a large number of actual coronor reports that supported your suicide claim. You hadn't. You reconn the discussions on here just like you retconn your life.

I remember the references to Caroline Litman who lost her own daughter as ''a shroud waver''.

No. That wasn't anything to do with C Litman. It was a quote from Dr Hilary Cass calling people like you a 'shroud waver'. You are. You promote the reckless and wrong view that if kids don't get put on a medicalised pathway they will kill themselves. They won't.

From: https://transwrites.world/hilary-cass-trans-suicide/ ... which is a trans activist site.

Cass told The Times, “What is worrying is when people say that if children don’t get these drugs, they will die, because clearly that’s not true.” She then added it was “irresponsible for people to shroud-wave in that way”.

 

[monkers]

Always interesting to challenge for impirical evidence and details of research whatever the subject matter.

Many activists seem to dislike this being done and accuse people of failing humanity tests amongst other things


Yep and still waiting for anything to back up your lies

1. Who are i supporting on here?

2. Where is the evidence anyone on here is trolling trans activists on social media?


It wouldn't be another false claim would it?









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You seem to enjoy creating little spats and then trying to win them. That's cute, and you are right to keep practising.

You made a post that was not in reply to any poster, so it was a post without that context. But then you did post it immediately after the usual suspects were doing their thing - you know not succeeding in an argument and initiating a crude pile on as they do - so that appears as the context.

You are not the one with the clear-eyed view here Spen. When presented with a clear case, you resort to obvious pedantry, but crack on if that is all you've got.

 

[spen666]

You seem to enjoy creating little spats and then trying to win them. That's cute, and you are right to keep practising.

You made a post that was not in reply to any poster, so it was a post without that context. But then you did post it immediately after the usual suspects were doing their thing - you know not succeeding in an argument and initiating a crude pile on as they do - so that appears as the context.

You are not the one with the clear-eyed view here Spen. When presented with a clear case, you resort to obvious pedantry, but crack on if that is all you've got.

Another rewrite of history
You started
abusing and insulting me ion another thread

All I am asking you to do is to provide evidence of your claims

1. Who am I supporting on here
2. Where is the evidence that anyone on here is trolling trans activists on social media




you have a history of making claims and not being able to back them up when challenged


The nonsense in your last post claiming that because chronologically my post was after someones it means I must be supporting them. Well guess what..this post is immediately after yours, so by your ridiculous logic I must be supporting you now

 

[AuroraSaab]

Don't worry, Spen. It's an extinction burst. This behaviour of constant gaslighting and failing to provide the receipts is the usual last gasp when nobody believes the stories anymore. As is summoning others to back them up.

It used to be followed by the announcement of a trip to hospital or a flounce from the forum. Then a gallant return, of course.

 

[Bromptonaut]

I am not supporting anyone

I would be interested to see any evidence at all that anyone on here is victimising any trans person

There are several posters on here who, to my eye, are victimising @monkers and have done so over many, many posts.

 

[Bromptonaut]

You seem to enjoy creating little spats and then trying to win them.

That's literally Spen's MO on here and has been for years.

 

[classic33]

Don't worry, Spen. It's an extinction burst. This behaviour of constant gaslighting and failing to provide the receipts is the usual last gasp when nobody believes the stories anymore. As is summoning others to back them up.

It used to be followed by the announcement of a trip to hospital or a flounce from the forum. Then a gallant return, of course.

The only person to flounce from here and return, is your mate CXRAndy.
Whose memory hasn't been the best.

 

[spen666]

There are several posters on here who, to my eye, are victimising @monkers and have done so over many, many posts.

Disagreeing with someone's views is not trolling them.


There is a world of difference between the 2

 

[spen666]

That's literally Spen's MO on here and has been for years.

All i have done is to ask Monkers for the evidence to back up their claims.

Without it, there is nothing

 

[monkers]

Cass told The Times, “What is worrying is when people say that if children don’t get these drugs, they will die, because clearly that’s not true.” She then added it was “irresponsible for people to shroud-wave in that way”.

It is neither wrong or irresponsible or shroud waving to notice the increase in the suicide rates of trans children. Do we hesitate to recognise the suicide rates of men in certain age groups? It is not, we need to recognise patterns, amplify the concern as becomes necessary when there is inaction.

So I'll repeat it the suicide rates increased in the same time frame as puberty blockers were banned except for those already prescribed.

You, I and others on the threads here have seen the receipts - coroner's reports - media reports - and distressed parents. The parents of these young people know what happened - you are trying to deny and rewrite the history.

Cass may have been correct to say that the withdrawal of puberty blockers does not lead to death - in one sense she is correct - but only if we ignore the psychological distress that she caused.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Disagreeing with someone's views is not trolling them.

The question was about victimising. Trolling isn't necessarily the same thing.

 

[spen666]

The question was about victimising. Trolling isn't necessarily the same thing.

Read Monkers allegations

 

[monkers]

Another rewrite of history
You started
abusing and insulting me ion another thread

All I am asking you to do is to provide evidence of your claims

1. Who am I supporting on here
2. Where is the evidence that anyone on here is trolling trans activists on social media




you have a history of making claims and not being able to back them up when challenged


The nonsense in your last post claiming that because chronologically my post was after someones it means I must be supporting them. Well guess what..this post is immediately after yours, so by your ridiculous logic I must be supporting you now

Are you still on about the peaceful protesters spat that you initiated?

 

[AuroraSaab]

It is neither wrong or irresponsible or shroud waving to notice the increase in the suicide rates of trans children.

The point is: there has been no increase. The links between these children's deaths and lack of puberty blockers is not supported by the evidence.

You and the GLP are claiming children as trans and suicide victims because they didn't get puberty blockers when those children didn't even have a diagnosis and weren't in the care of a clinic. They hadn't been refused puberty blockers.

So I'll repeat it the suicide rates increased in the same time frame as puberty blockers were banned except for those already prescribed.

They halved in 2022/23. Puberty blockers were still banned.

You, I and others on the threads here have seen the receipts - coroner's reports - media reports - and distressed parents. The parents of these young people know what happened - you are trying to deny and rewrite the history.

You are point scoring over the deaths of young people with complex mental health issues because without trans kids there's no 'trans is innate' argument.

I'm going to go with the assessment of the stats by the UK's leading expert on suicide Professor Louis Appleby over that of the vested interests of you, whose ghoulish 'trans kid or dead kid' narrative serves only to whip up anxiety in already distressed families. It's disgraceful.

 

[spen666]

Are you still on about the peaceful protesters spat that you initiated?

Ohh look another attempt to rewrite history.
You threw your toys out of pram then when you were asked if criminal damage, burglary and assaults were part of peaceful protests