AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
A reader would have to wilfully ignorant to read this forum and believe that you haven't pressed for trans identifying men to have access to women's spaces and services. The whole gender thread is evidence of it.
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A reader would have to wilfully ignorant to read this forum and believe that you haven't pressed for trans identifying men to have access to women's spaces and services. The whole gender thread is evidence of it.
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
I was replying to Bromptonaut. Which is why I quoted him in the reply.
monkers
Shaman
So you did. Apologies to Bromptonaut.
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mickle
Regular
Only men can be 'transwomen'. Women cannot be 'transwomen'. Ergo: Monkers, and his alter ego /fantasy niece, is a man.
Quit with your fake outrage.
monkers
Shaman
Actually that is not correct. You have been challenged about untruths. For example, each time you say that there are hundreds of trans women marauding in women's prisons, it just isn't true. Your above statement just becomes another example of you being untruthful.
To put the record straight here, what has happened is the official data has been consistently put to you so that you could see that every time you post the untruth, that people have the opportunity to see your post is untrue. So the pattern you are actually referring to, is the pattern of untruths that you have told. You are correct to say the whole gender thread is evidence, just not evidence of what you just said.
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
No. I've repeatedly said that trans identifying men commit crime at the same rate as other men; some research suggests at a higher rate.
There is no reason to treat them differently than other men.
I am happy for people to read the thread and draw their own conclusions as to who is providing evidence and who is relying on histrionics.
Some people like data of course, others are visual learners.
Bromptonaut
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Same response as to AS
monkers
Shaman
Same old pivot, and same attribution of your own conduct applied to me ''histrionics'' indeed, of the two of us, I'm the one who is level-headed.
monkers
Shaman
monkers said:
Actually that is not correct. You have been challenged about untruths. For example, each time you say that there are hundreds of trans women marauding in women's spaces, it just isn't true. Your above statement just becomes another example of you being untruthful.
To be fair to Aurora, I did post 'spaces' when I meant to type prisons. I amended very quickly but she was faster. The allegation had been trans women marauding in women's prisons rather than spaces.
Actually that is not correct. You have been challenged about untruths. For example, each time you say that there are hundreds of trans women marauding in women's spaces, it just isn't true. Your above statement just becomes another example of you being untruthful.
To be fair to Aurora, I did post 'spaces' when I meant to type prisons. I amended very quickly but she was faster. The allegation had been trans women marauding in women's prisons rather than spaces.
icowden
Shaman
Although I'm pretty sure that they don't maraud in either.
Apologies for diverting this riveting cut and thrust but I wondered what you thought of the Cass Keuenssberg interview on the Beeb?
I've seen some describing it as the breath of the antichrist and some using it as some sort of holy scripture - somewhat ironically given that she was pointing out that the extremism isn't helpful on either side.
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AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
One man in women's prisons is too many.
Fortunately, thanks to women campaigning, men aren't being sent to them anymore. There are now only 3 men in women's prisons in England.
Of course the SNP are still trying to get men into women's jails in Scotland.
Unfortunately, the US has around 1,500 males in women's prisons. Some of whom have raped or sexually assaulted women - does that count as marauding?
Fortunately, thanks to women campaigning, men aren't being sent to them anymore. There are now only 3 men in women's prisons in England.
Of course the SNP are still trying to get men into women's jails in Scotland.
Unfortunately, the US has around 1,500 males in women's prisons. Some of whom have raped or sexually assaulted women - does that count as marauding?
monkers
Shaman
I had no idea who this is a photograph of. Apparently this is a photograph of open trans woman Hannah Mouncey. I freely admit I wouldn't like to be the person trying to get the ball from her either. Mouncey is 6'2'' and was born in 1989;
Also playing in the same league at that time was cisgender woman Erin Hoare also born 1989 and taller at 6'4''. Unfortunately nature has a way of doing its thing. Photographing that smaller player against Hoare would have made the size difference appear greater.
Reading about Mouncey, she wasn't accepted by one team as she was considered too slow. She was not 'cheating' per se because she was open and compliant with the in place rules.
Erin Hoare pictured below.
monkers
Shaman
Marauding is a conduct, presence is not.
The US comparison is not like for like since the US has no GRC system like the UK. If they adopted such a system they'd have better means to make their prisons safer.
Does this mean I'm making excuses for anybody who assaults anybody else? Of course not,
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icowden
Shaman
Similar picture of Erin Hoare. The difference you can see is that she has a slender female physique when compared with Mouncey.
monkers
Shaman
Apparently Hoare was lighter and faster, what that means for the game I've really no idea, so no further comment other than to notice a photograph they may juxtapose the largest and smaller players together is not proof of anything except that is nature doing its thing.
Two female athletes from the same national squad seen together...
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