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Psamathe

Guru
Great idea. Let's do really complex foreign affairs by opinion polls asking really dumb questions with no context of what chain of events this might lead to.
Maybe it has use as a broad indicator if one considers the question those polled may have been answering. Few will appreciate the impact of tariffs as it becomes very complex (different sectors doing different value if exports, etc.).

I suspect the question people were answering was more towards "Should the UK take a firmer response towards US economic threats?". (might have been more useful to ask a more sensible question).

Different countries facing these latest tariffs will be affected very differently eg a lot of UK business to the US is services that are not subject to tariffs.
 
Maybe it has use as a broad indicator if one considers the question those polled may have been answering. Few will appreciate the impact of tariffs as it becomes very complex (different sectors doing different value if exports, etc.).

I suspect the question people were answering was more towards "Should the UK take a firmer response towards US economic threats?". (might have been more useful to ask a more sensible question).

Different countries facing these latest tariffs will be affected very differently eg a lot of UK business to the US is services that are not subject to tariffs.

It would be even more meaningless/useless if you make it any vaguer. I think the only people who should be allowed to answer the question should be ones who have answered some preliminary questions about tariffs in general, and more specifically to find out if they understood that tariffs would raise many prices of their favourite foodstuffs and other goods (all US tech, for starters) which are sold by US companies.

I suspect most of them assume it would have no impact on them, financially or otherwise (war, maybe?), so it's a free shot at a madman with no real consequences.
 
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Sometimes it might be worth talking to even a complete loon... *something* might get through.

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Pross

Über Member
Great idea. Let's do really complex foreign affairs by opinion polls asking really dumb questions with no context of what chain of events this might lead to.

I mean. FFS. Might as well ask if we should nuke the White House "to voice our displeasure in no uncertain terms".

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It’s strange that the patriotic Reform voters are least likely to support such action.
 

Dorset Boy

Active Member
So Brian thinks a YouGov poll is governing by opinion poll.....
Did the Government commission the poll?
Almost certainly not.
Are other organisations, or indeed polling companies themselves not allowed to canvas opinions?

Brian you voted for this government. If this Government are that swayed by an opinion poll, you only have yourself to blame.
 
So Brian thinks a YouGov poll is governing by opinion poll.....
Did the Government commission the poll?
Almost certainly not.
Are other organisations, or indeed polling companies themselves not allowed to canvas opinions?

Brian you voted for this government. If this Government are that swayed by an opinion poll, you only have yourself to blame.

My comment was simply saying that it's a completely stupid poll. You might as well ask if people would eat the moon if it's made of cheese.
 
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BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
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It’s strange that the patriotic Reform voters are least likely to support such action.

Perhaps, they are the most sensible group?

I don't actually think that by the way.

Governments (present and previous) have absolutely no idea what "the public" think (or even IF they think). IMHO
 
Perhaps, they are the most sensible group?

I don't actually think that by the way.

Governments (present and previous) have absolutely no idea what "the public" think (or even IF they think). IMHO
I think the more concerning part is they do know, it's just that the interest of those who sponsor them are a bit of a higher priority.
 
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All uphill

Senior Member
Perhaps, they are the most sensible group?

I don't actually think that by the way.

Governments (present and previous) have absolutely no idea what "the public" think (or even IF they think). IMHO

So much depends on the way the question is phrased that it's very difficult to get meaningful answers.
 
All these things can be true. International relationships can often be fraught at the best of time, but I'm pretty sure that the professionals have never had to deal with someone quite as far gone down the dementia journey calling all the shots via social media.

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FWIW, here's a comment from Paul Krugman about Bessent - it's opportunists like him who might be opportunistic in other ways, given the right motivation, unlike the zealots.

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secretsqirrel

Senior Member
All these things can be true. International relationships can often be fraught at the best of time, but I'm pretty sure that the professionals have never had to deal with someone quite as far gone down the dementia journey calling all the shots via social media.

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FWIW, here's a comment from Paul Krugman about Bessent - it's opportunists like him who might be opportunistic in other ways, given the right motivation, unlike the zealots.

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Someone like Bessent can therefore be worked on and bought, I don’t believe The WH cabal is impenetrable. It just takes 1 to bring the House down.

Traditionally known as a Judas, but I think the term is a ‘Jenrick’ now.
 
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