Gulf War No.37: Iranistan

[Pblakeney]

Its interesting that people are so myopic they ignore or condone human rights abuses on a vast scale , because that side is the enemy of their own enemy.

It is interesting that action is only taken when those countries have oil.

 

[C R]

Its interesting that people are so myopic they ignore or condone human rights abuses on a vast scale , because that side is the enemy of their own enemy.

This is a bit tiresome. I will just post here something that a couple of actual victims of the islamic regime wrote

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxEcs0hC2i3WL7AmEXr-Dyr71jaKHT3iXu?si=1QVf7I9d7wmomhZt

And a reply to the predictable why do you defend the islamic republic comment

Now, have you stopped beating your wife yet?

 

[CXRAndy]

If it involves Israel or Trump then the leftie outrage is all to see. All the other stuff, lefties dont care

 

[UglyWithaSidePart]

What's the wife beating reference about?

 

[C R]

What's the wife beating reference about?

It describes the case when someone asks you to stop doing something you weren't doing or to do something you were already doing, with the intention of embarrassing you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

 

[CXRAndy]

What's the wife beating reference about?

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

But Trūmp's blockade is going to be the bigliest, most powerful, most impressive, mightiest that the world has ever seen. Whereas Iran's was only "effective".

One aspect Trūmp may have overlooked is that his blockage will be stopping oils and critical resources getting to China and India which will pïss them off and US is just a bit dependent on China ...

He will just tell them to buy US oil...

Fair point; however some of those on your list arguably only exist as a reaction to Israel's incursions into territories that don't belong to them.

Iran may have bolstered the capabilities of these groups, but Israel gave them the incentive.

If you talk long enough there's always someone to blame for someone else's actions, however just looking ta the current period, Hamas grew at the expense of the PLO / Arafat, both Iran and Isreal(as Isreal funded Hamas and armed Hamas too as recent is 2017) made this happen. But the other fractions Iran sponsored and have destabilized the region have nothing to do with Isreal and or events to go down many years to justify it.

 

[Beebo]

Its interesting that people are so myopic they ignore or condone human rights abuses on a vast scale , because that side is the enemy of their own enemy.

Who has condoned human rights abuses?
I can’t think of any one here.

But I do expect better from our allies than our enemies. And we should hold them to a higher standard.

 

[swee'pea99]

I don't quite understand this...

the Iranians where/are, blocking the Straits of Hormuz, because, it weakened the west, possibly at a cost to themselves, but, at a cost they felt they could withstand.

Now, Trump is going to "punish" Iran by blocking the Starits of Hormuz with his very expensive, high-tech USA Navy vessels, (presumably, putting them in range of Iranian missiles, drones etc), to "punish" the Iranians

So Trump is going to be doing the Iranian's "job" for them, at USA's risk and USA's expense.

Does anyone else "get" this, because, I don't.

Indeed - baffling even by recent increasingly surreal standards. On the face of it

"Unblock it, damn you!"

Iran: yawn

"Ok then, I'M BLOCKING IT!"

This is real Alice in Wonderland stuff. How do you block something that is already blocked?

And that's before we even think about whys, hows, all that...

 

[spen666]

This is a bit tiresome. I will just post here something that a couple of actual victims of the islamic regime wrote

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxEcs0hC2i3WL7AmEXr-Dyr71jaKHT3iXu?si=1QVf7I9d7wmomhZt

And a reply to the predictable why do you defend the islamic republic comment

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Now, have you stopped beating your wife yet?

You are still playing one against the other - all abuses of human rights are wrong.

Why can you not condemn all abuses of human rights?


The answer appears to be clear that people are not interested in human rights but use it as a stick to beat their "enemy" and ignore it when their "enemies "enemy breach those human rights

Sadly people are so "tribal" they can't bring themselves to criticise those who oppose their enemy

 

[spen666]

Who has condoned human rights abuses?
I can’t think of any one here.

But I do expect better from our allies than our enemies. And we should hold them to a higher standard.

Human rights are human rights - they are not different standards of human rights


I notice you do not condem or criticse the Iranians for these judicial killings

 

[spen666]

So much whatabouterry and attempts to change the subject, but not a single one condemns the judicial killing by Iran

That is very telling

 

[C R]

You are still playing one against the other - all abuses of human rights are wrong.

Why can you not condemn all abuses of human rights?


The answer appears to be clear that people are not interested in human rights but use it as a stick to beat their "enemy" and ignore it when their "enemies "enemy breach those human rights

Sadly people are so "tribal" they can't bring themselves to criticise those who oppose their enemy

You're doubling down in the have you stopped beating your wife yet fallacy. This thread is about the war that Israel and the US started. The condemnation of the islamic republic has been done at length in other threads.

 

[Psamathe]

deed - baffling even by recent increasingly surreal standards. On the face of it

"Unblock it, damn you!"

Iran: yawn

"Ok then, I'M BLOCKING IT!"

This is real Alice in Wonderland stuff. How do you block something that is already blocked?

And that's before we even think about whys, hows, all that...

I think it's not as black and white as Trūmp thinks or as blocked or unblocked.

It is open so some vessels (eg the alledged Iranian "shadow tanker fleet"). Some Chinese and Indian vessels are getting through. Some are apparently paying the tolls and being allowed through. I assume it's these that Trũmp is now going to stop ie to stop Iran financially benefitting from what little is getting through.

But then when US industry starts needing some of the non-oil products that ship through the Strait eg paraxylene, ammonia (for agricultural fertiliser, etc. will US industry start lobbying the US Government to allow through these resources they depend on? And then US allies in the gulf who are very dependent on imports of food and animal feed, etc. Opinions can shift quickly when it is an ally who is blocking your critical imports rather than a country currently bombing you.

 

[CXRAndy]

Indeed - baffling even by recent increasingly surreal standards. On the face of it

"Unblock it, damn you!"

Iran: yawn

"Ok then, I'M BLOCKING IT!"

This is real Alice in Wonderland stuff. How do you block something that is already blocked?

And that's before we even think about whys, hows, all that...

It wasn't fully blocked, Islamic regime were deciding who to let through and forcing payment off others.

Blocking all transport hurts Islamic regime financially, cuts off oil to China (very big side benefit). China will lean heavily on regime in the background to do a deal