Israel / Palestine

[briantrumpet]

 

[Pblakeney]

Hang 'em! burn 'em! Where's the stakes and pitchforks when you need them?

 

[Psamathe]

Does that mean that Age Concern etc are implicated for organising volunteers to help the "silver warriors" use a computer/smartphone/tablet? 😂

Are you still allowed to use the name of that organisation. Haven't they been proscribed yet/as well for providing all those terrorists or people breaking terroism laws.

Ian

 

[Xipe Totec]

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Be more MechaHitler.

 

[Psamathe]

Interesting aspect to the proscribed organisation raised on latest The Rest is Politics Podcast. Their comment along the lines of had a real terrorist group pushed over the fence and got access to the planes then they would not have been spraying paint but rather those planes would be scrap metal. Why is Gov. so concerned about the protest group rather than thanking them for highlighting such a massive security weakness at military bases.

Ian

 

[spen666]

Interesting aspect to the proscribed organisation raised on latest The Rest is Politics Podcast. Their comment along the lines of had a real terrorist group pushed over the fence and got access to the planes then they would not have been spraying paint but rather those planes would be scrap metal. Why is Gov. so concerned about the protest group rather than thanking them for highlighting such a massive security weakness at military bases.

Ian

I suppose using that logic, the 7/7 and 21/7 bombers should be thanked for highlighting massive security weaknesses on the transport network.

 

[Psamathe]

I suppose using that logic, the 7/7 and 21/7 bombers should be thanked for highlighting massive security weaknesses on the transport network.

I think you've completely missed the point. The proscribed organisation used a few cans of spay paint, nobody even around to have their clothing damaged. Very different and bit worrying you can't appreciate the difference.

Not actually suggesting that the proscribed organisation didn't do something wrong but broadening so much to terrorism is just daft.

The real point is why is everybody talking about the proscribed organisation rather than the massive weakness they have highlighted in the security of our military. How come it is so easy for anybody to get access to these bases and military gear?

Ian

 

[Psamathe]

Sorry, a long quote but I feel rrelevant

Peter Hain says UK government ‘digging itself into hole’ over Palestine Action
Lord Hain... was lacerating about the response to recent protests in support of Palestine Action.
“It will end in tears for the government,” he said. “We are seeing retired magistrates, retired and serving doctors and all sorts of people being arrested and now effectively being equated with terrorists such as al-Qaida, which is absolutely wrong.”

He said if a legal challenge to the proscription was successful, it “would be a mercy to all concerned, including the government”.

The government has come under pressure to justify the detention of 532 people arrested over the weekend under the Terrorism Act – half of whom were 60 or older – on suspicion of showing support for Palestine Action.

He cited his experience as a secretary of state for Northern Ireland and cabinet minister to challenge the equation of the group with terrorists.

“There is a battery of other crimes that could be applied to Palestine Action but terrorism is not one of them, while you also devalue the charge of terrorism by equating it with the protests we have seen,” Hain said.

“I … worked with the intelligence services and others to stop dissident IRA groups from killing. I have signed warrants to stop other real terrorists, Islamist terrorists, bombing London. So I am not soft on terrorism. But I am a strong believer that you have to know what it looks like.”

I am increasingly coming to the view that so many are getting more outspoken and angry because our government isn't. They feel that our Government is failing to show any moral stance and failing to represent the widespread views as to what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank.

Ian

 

[spen666]

I think you've completely missed the point. The proscribed organisation used a few cans of spay paint, nobody even around to have their clothing damaged. Very different and bit worrying you can't appreciate the difference.

Not actually suggesting that the proscribed organisation didn't do something wrong but broadening so much to terrorism is just daft.

The real point is why is everybody talking about the proscribed organisation rather than the massive weakness they have highlighted in the security of our military. How come it is so easy for anybody to get access to these bases and military gear?

Ian

I think you have missed the point

You bizarrely want us to thank groups destroying property . Anyonewho want us to thank criminals for committing crimes is seriously deluded

 

[AndyRM]

Have I missed some property getting destroyed?

 

[briantrumpet]

Have I missed some property getting destroyed?

I think someone's fence got damaged in Gaza city, but I'm not sure. Might have been a hospital, but what's the difference?

 

[Psamathe]

I think you have missed the point

You bizarrely want us to thank groups destroying property . Anyonewho want us to thank criminals for committing crimes is seriously deluded

a. You call them criminals NOT terrorists.

b. The "thank" was a flippant way to highlight that there were major failings in our military security that the Government seems to want to overlook and just focus on what many (knowledgeable) more expert people are regarding as criminal rather then terrorist. The "thank" was not meant in a completely serious way (sorry, I assumed readers would use some common sense on that).

People do damage to highlight shortcomings to the betterment of everybody. Several years ago I had to develop a secure comminucations system and then a company wanted to use it as part of their data collection system running something for Government and they employed a group of hackers to try and break into the comms servers (the didn't manage to).

 

[PurplePenguin]

I've always found the terrorism designation to be unhelpful. Israelis see all Palestinians as terrorists and west bank settlers as unhelpful idiots.

 

[matticus]

Why is Gov. so concerned about the protest group rather than thanking them for highlighting such a massive security weakness at military bases.

Have to agree with Spen here - this is a really dumb comment!

 

[Psamathe]

Have to agree with Spen here - this is a really dumb comment!

As I say, a flippant way to comment that the Gov. is reacting in a daft manner, no real concern about how easy it is for anybody to get into secure military bases. Bad things can be more complex and have some unintended consequences of benefit as well as their bad aspects.

How come a group armed with just a few cans of spray paint can apparently push over a fence and gain access to these military aircraft and maybe the country is fortunate their intent was only to use the spray cans to make a point. Does not mean they didn't break the law and the Government could rightly chose to pursue them for that law breaking. I would hope they will also be acting on the security weaknesses this group highlighted before a different group with different intent decided to push the fence over.

Ian