When you known you don't have a good point, go back into the past just as far until your point sounds reasonable right?
The area's of land now called Gaza, West bank and Isreal have bee under so many occupiers in the past, have been part of many different dynasty's, kingdoms etc.etc. so the land belongs to the land i guess? Jews have just as much as a claim on it as modern day Palestinians, it nothing like Germany, Italy, France or England where it's easy to determine what the group is living there for the longest of time.
Modern day palestinia/Isreal has been occupied by asyrrians, jews, arabs, many other (small) tribes that may or may not exist anymore.
There are also older artifacts then judism, but i get your frame, sorry doesn't work on me.
Well it's an question you steer, claim and try the slide into my shoes, i have not said that at all, so please shove it back into you own shoes thanks.
The current borders came after an un resolution after the then British Empire chose to split the land then still known as British territory. So any historical claims really don't matter to much, the split came after the decision by the then British empire, nothing else. And the UN which then lead to a war, which the isreali's won. After the jews/now isreali's where allowed to settle and buy homes under both ottoman empire and british empire but where attacked and killed at random by certain not goverment related groups, also called terror groups which in turn lead to Jews/isreal coming up with their own terror group which in part is still active today and part went up in the IDF.
interesting leftie choice, and yes i say leftie because it's typical leftie to start talking about someone with a moral high ground undertone like you known everything and have the alone and absolute right on the thruth and nothing but the thruth.
But lets go on on that different perspectives thing, who would known better then you and me someone living in Gaza or better said people living in Gaza also called Gazan's sometimes OR me and you and all those ''free palestine'' shouters?
Some other perspectives on Gaza partly from poeple actually in gaza:
''A source at one of the Gaza distribution sites tells me that Hamas set up a roadblock to prevent Gazans from getting aid.
They broke through it and were shouting “thank you America” upon reaching the site.
View: https://x.com/KassyAkiva/status/1927423082504843351
''
or the twitter hashtag #TheGazaYouDontSee
or this person:
View: https://x.com/imshin/status/1925816272954012072
(who seems to support 7 october just not the outcome or live under Hamas. (he escaped Gaza recently according to the caption)
or this human rights activist actually from Gaza, actually a christian:
View: https://x.com/IhabHassane/status/1924519777164308990
amongst other things he also says this:
"were overwhelmingly ignored by major pro-Palestine voices, accounts, and media outlets that claim to support Palestinians. The bravest act of defiance—dismissed, simply because it didn’t fit their narrative. (...) You’d think the harshest backlash against anti-Hamas protesters in Gaza came from Palestinians loyal to Hamas—but it didn’t. It came from abroad: pro-Hamas voices in the West and keyboard warriors, thousands of miles away, sitting comfortably as they preach “resistance” while Palestinians bleed. Those who did this aren’t pro-Palestine—they’re pro-Hamas."
There are also lots of video's of Hamas executing, shooting people in the knee, torture etc. but i chose not to share those, resistance against Hamas is growing and so is their aggression.(and all theses people are counted as ''victims of Isreali aggression'' or ''matyr's''
if you support Hamas yes indeed, but Gaza itself houses much more religions than just Islam. (just as Isreal that matter)
That was indeed what Yassar Arafat and Yizak Rabin (which i have undoubtedly butchered in spelling) where trying to achieve, Arafat was feared to be killed before he could make the deal, Rabin was actually killed. on both sides the more extreme or maybe even most extreme fractions came to power shortly after.
But i certainly agree that the start of a longer term solution is two states, and internationally recognized borders with sanctions for Isreal just expanding it's borders like most recently in Syria.
Gazan's themselfes dont see it that way either, see for example below Gazan's before forced to evacuate saying ''it's not the Jews, it's Hamas''
View: https://x.com/IhabHassane/status/1924602630581432566
The troubles where far far less complicated then this because, at least when Sin Fean made and peace deal it was honored they where in enough contact with all fractions that they had the power and authority to agree to a peace deal, Hamas and many other fractions is a different story. Apart from the fact that they really don't want peace.
Why make things so complicated while the better solution would be established borders and recognize both countries instead? Alltough under Hamas it wouldn't change an thing, and if it's any better under whoever takes Hama's place remain to be seen. Or in their own words 7 October was worth it'' (full translated source below)
View: https://x.com/IhabHassane/status/1924170779576386036
I don't remember all your questions mainly because you are very good in asking the same question 301 times if you don't like the answer, so i probably just got bored of you. Remember i'm not forced to answer you, it is very typical to assume a answer that favors you if you don't get an reply.
