Israel / Palestine

[Psamathe]

I don't see how Israel can ever hope to live in peace until it learns to talk to neighbours in the region, to "get along" with others. If all they can do to neighbouring countries is send in troops, annex land, bomb, etc. they'll never get peace just perpetual war with anybody and everybody, continually in a state of alert waiting for retaliation.

From what I've seen of the latest attack on Iran, I wouldn't be surprised if part of Iran's reaction is to fully accelerate getting nuclear weapons, no waiting for negotiations (and further attacks) but do everything they can as fast as they can.

Ian

 

[Pross]

It knows, it doesn't care. Don't feed it.

The ignore function on here is great. The only reason I even know he’s posted is when someone quotes him. Other than that the only clue I have of his existence is that he has joined Shortfall as a Stevo likebot

 

[Psamathe]

The only reason I even know he’s posted is when someone quotes him

Or if they just reply without quoting and you struggle to make sense eg a post on it's own in the middle of other discussion eg "That's not true, False data".

Be so much better if people didn't quote as everybody is fully aware that those he so admires on Twitter live in an alternate reality.

Ian

 

[Ian H]

It's interesting (for certain kinds of 'interesting') that the US is now incapable of restraining Israel's excesses. Netanyahu is firmly set on appeasing the ultra-extremists in his government and, of course, staying out of jail.
A snippet from CNN:-
Trump offered no signals in the immediate aftermath of the attacks that he was prepared to use American military assets to help defend Israel from expected Iranian reprisal, as his predecessor Joe Biden did when Israel and Iran exchanged fire last year.
Without American assistance, Israel’s air defenses could be unable to withstand a major Iranian onslaught.
The focus of public messaging from the US administration was instead on protecting American personnel in the Middle East, and warning Iran not to drag the US into the fray.

 

[Pross]

It's interesting (for certain kinds of 'interesting') that the US is now incapable of restraining Israel's excesses. Netanyahu is firmly set on appeasing the ultra-extremists in his government and, of course, staying out of jail.
A snippet from CNN:-
Trump offered no signals in the immediate aftermath of the attacks that he was prepared to use American military assets to help defend Israel from expected Iranian reprisal, as his predecessor Joe Biden did when Israel and Iran exchanged fire last year.
Without American assistance, Israel’s air defenses could be unable to withstand a major Iranian onslaught.
The focus of public messaging from the US administration was instead on protecting American personnel in the Middle East, and warning Iran not to drag the US into the fray.

If it stays that way it could be one of the better things Trump has done (or not done I guess). It may not be great for the Israeli population but they need to get rid of those in power who are intent on conflict or face the consequences.

 

[CXRAndy]

CR is exhibiting name calling as his best level of attack

'Billibobs' it's almost tittering school girl level

Hey carry on

 

[secretsqirrel]

It's interesting (for certain kinds of 'interesting') that the US is now incapable of restraining Israel's excesses. Netanyahu is firmly set on appeasing the ultra-extremists in his government and, of course, staying out of jail.
A snippet from CNN:-
Trump offered no signals in the immediate aftermath of the attacks that he was prepared to use American military assets to help defend Israel from expected Iranian reprisal, as his predecessor Joe Biden did when Israel and Iran exchanged fire last year.
Without American assistance, Israel’s air defenses could be unable to withstand a major Iranian onslaught.
The focus of public messaging from the US administration was instead on protecting American personnel in the Middle East, and warning Iran not to drag the US into the fray.

He is more interested in Donald Day military celebrations, and LA stuff at the moment. Israel may have to call again next week sometime.

 

[First Aspect]

What are the odds a nuclear bomb will be deployed again in the next few years?

Israel in particular seems to think proportionality is 1000 eyes for an eye, or a premtive mouthful for a potential tooth.

 

[CXRAndy]

What are the odds a nuclear bomb will be deployed again in the next few years?

Less now a terrorist supporting nation has had its nuclear capability reduced. I won't say eliminated yet, until verification later down the line

 

[cookiemonster]

Less now a terrorist supporting nation has had its nuclear capability reduced. I won't say eliminated yet, until verification later down the line

Iran was reducing its nuclear capability under the previous Iran Nuclear Deal, negotiated by John Kelly and supported by the EU, UK and Japan, and was working beautifully, under the guidance of the IAEA, until Trump waded in and wrecked it in 2018.

Now he wants a new one.

 

[CXRAndy]

He might well get it after Israel has finished destroying their nuclear capability. According to reports Iran has far more uranium and plutonium for civilian application, some of which has been enriched to weapon grade purity. So maybe Trump was right, since allowing economic sanctions to be lifted Iran has accelerated nuclear material production to have the capability of multiple nuclear warhead weapons since early 2020s

 

[cookiemonster]

Trump wrecked the previous nuclear deal in 2018, which was working well, for no reason.

 

[Pross]

Iran was reducing its nuclear capability under the previous Iran Nuclear Deal, negotiated by John Kelly and supported by the EU, UK and Japan, and was working beautifully, under the guidance of the IAEA, until Trump waded in and wrecked it in 2018.

Now he wants a new one.

Do you really expect us to believe Trump has flip flopped on his opinion on a deal? NO WAY!

 

[C R]

Do you really expect us to believe Trump has flip flopped on his opinion on a deal? NO WAY!

The only problem Trump had without that deal was that it was Obama's deal.

 

[First Aspect]

The only problem Trump had without that deal was that it was Obama's deal.

The problem Trump has now in renegotiating deals (trade deals nuclear nonproliferation deals, whatever) is no one thinks any deal he makes is worth the paper it is written on (and signed with a Sharpie).

He's a great deal breaker, not a great deal maker, because he breaks every deal in order to demand a better one.