Israel / Palestine

[Psamathe]

Everybody keeps describing Hamas & Hezbollah as "Iran's proxies" but why are we not describing Israel as "US's proxy"?

In political science, a proxy war is an armed conflict where at least one of the belligerents is directed or supported by an external third-party power.

US certainly seems to be supporting Israel in a major way (arms, support, political cover, etc.). Most knowledgeable commentators/reportser seem to take the view that Israel would not be able to do what it is without US support. Also US very much at odds with comparable western countries in it's support for Israel.

Ian

 

[Pblakeney]

Also US very much at odds with comparable western countries in it's support for Israel.

I’m not sure about that.
What the UK says and what the UK does are at odds with each other.

 

[Pross]

Everybody keeps describing Hamas & Hezbollah as "Iran's proxies" but why are we not describing Israel as "US's proxy"?

US certainly seems to be supporting Israel in a major way (arms, support, political cover, etc.). Most knowledgeable commentators/reportser seem to take the view that Israel would not be able to do what it is without US support. Also US very much at odds with comparable western countries in it's support for Israel.

Ian

It feels more like the US is Israel's proxy most of the time.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

What a pile of utter bollox.

1) The previous nuclear deal was imperfect but it was working and was keeping Iran's nuclear ambitions well and truly in check. Trump wrecked it in 2018 because it was from Obama's time and he is still mad that Obama roasted him. My sources ar ethe same sources that are available to everyone, including you. It has been well reported.

*edit* Just seen the newest The News Agents YT programme and Emily Maitlis, a highly esteemed journalist who knows her stuff, confirmed what I posted above. A correction, it was 2017 not 2018 that Trump tore up the first deal.

Imperfect is not really what you want right? Given the advantages Iran got (economic surge etc.) i think it's only fair if the deals is committed to fully.
Also i notice how you stake a claim in this case about a youtube like podcast but fail to provide a link, just as you fail to provide evidence off any of you bold claims. i asked you kindly, you asked me and i provided. Last time i started telling you look it up yourself because it would always go's like this. Along with you posting links from the china morning post as news and calling me a racist, you're just a terrible debater, if things don't go you're way you start to ramble. scream shout and intend to insult. (which might work if you weren't so terrible at it)

2) I actually agreed with Aurorasaab's post. It took what I posted previously and expanded on it. If you were capable of critical thinking, which racists like you don't have the ability to do, you would've known that.

But it says that you're claim that the deal was perfect before Trump tore it apart is in fact wrong. And you're racist instult means nothing.

3) Complete BS! No evidence at all for that assertion. The IDF killed another 37 yesterday while waiting for food.

still no evidence?

4) See point 3.

see point 3

5) Israel has NEVER been held to account for any of its actions. It seems to have a free pass to do things that any other nation would be hammered for.

that is not true, it's Hamas who does not get hold to account for it's actions, Isreal has prosecuted soldiers in the past, Hamas only celebrated when they killed an Jew. (yes that's racism, Hamas is in fact very racist)

 

[cookiemonster]

Another 51 Palestinians lured to an aid distribution centre and gunned down as reported here in Asia as well as the BBC.

The fact you think this is fine says more about your lack of humanity Dutchie.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

I don't think these G7 "World Leaders" understand "deescalation". Trump going on how Iran should make a deal ... that's exactly what they were doing until Israel got worried there might be a deal so acted to in effect scupper any such prospects.

Ian

Isreal claims to know more, now i understand the desire to take everything Isreal says with a grain of salt, however they are very deep into Iran even if you don't believe anything they say, you can simply see it by the way they have surprise attacked them and continue to do so. You can't do that with a shoot ton of intelligence etc.

And to be honest if it is about a country like Iran having Nuclear weapons it's better to act before they in fact do have them then after.

 

[Psamathe]

And to be honest if it is about a country like Iran having Nuclear weapons it's better to act before they in fact do have them then after.

World did until Trump decided to destroy it just because he doesn't like Obama. Now close to re-establishing means to stop them aquiring nuclear weapons long term and Israel scuppers prospects.

Most knowledgeable commentators say that at best Israel will delay Iranian nuclear program maybe by a few years but they will be accelerating their efforts as they feel somewhat more threatened. So my impression is that Israel has either made the situation worse or set the only way forward as perpetual war.

Ian

 

[Pblakeney]

Perpetual war suits Netanyahu who needs it to stay in power and out of jail.
Ask yourself, who is responsible for most deaths happening in the world today?

 

[AndyRM]

Perpetual war suits Netanyahu who needs it to stay in power and out of jail.
Ask yourself, who is responsible for most deaths happening in the world today?

Cats probably. They're shifty as owt.

 

[Pblakeney]

Cats probably. They're shifty as owt.

Clever. Was going to clarify to humans but then, cars. 😉
Anyway, which individual human for human deaths.

 

[AndyRM]

Clever. Was going to clarify to humans but then, cars. 😉
Anyway, which individual human for human deaths.

The civil war in Sudan is running at a higher death rate I believe. There's not a great deal of Western skin in that game though.

 

[Pblakeney]

The civil war in Sudan is running at a higher death rate I believe. There's not a great deal of Western skin in that game though.

Fair. That's not down to an individual as far as I know.
I suppose you could put it down to two men and half it and you'd still be right. 😢

 

[Bazzer]

Fair. That's not down to an individual as far as I know.
I suppose you could put it down to two men and half it and you'd still be right. 😢

I would have thought both now and in the foresable future, Musk is going to have quite a high death rate attributable to his actions with DOGE and USAid, along with those of Marco Rubio.
Oxfam reckons the effects will lead to more than 3 million preventable deaths per year.