CXRAndy
Legendary Member
Its all virtue signalling from those in the west. They don't do much more than wearing a tea towel and shouting slogans
Israel / Palestine
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Its all virtue signalling from those in the west. They don't do much more than wearing a tea towel and shouting slogans
Xipe Totec
Something nasty in the woodshed
Maybe they should burn some bins, lob some bricks at coppers and try to murder people they've been ordered to hate, like you lot.
In fairness, that seems to be more effective in forcing Labour to change their stance.
Psamathe
Über Member
So often Israel is using "proof" yet so often that "proof" is kept secret and even when published found to be completely lacking. I have no idea about this current "proof" but from past claims people just no longer believe Israel.
Ian
Psamathe
Über Member
I agree.
I can appreciate that in the case of a genuine terrorist organisation it is reasonable for Government to take steps to prevent others from enabling that organisation from carrying out terrorist activities (eg providing money, information, etc.). But when holding a bit of cardboard with their nasme on it is also classed as "support" and people arrested under terrorism laws it's just daft. Similarly the Government are too ready to jump to "terrorism" when maybe some things are just "criminal" - except they invoke "National Security, National Secrecy" - in effect "Trust me I'm a Politician" (like anybody is going to do that these days).
I don't blame the Police, it's the politicians that are failing (nothing new, no surprise).
Ian
Ian H
Squire
Priorities: was there a threat to life and limb? Danger of riot and looting? Foreign dignitaries needing security?
Psamathe
Über Member
I suppose also there is : what were the Police not able to do because resource was being used to arrest 80 year old people holing bits of cardboard? One report on the radio was an officer saying how they had to take resource from criminal investigations so reasonable to ask that given they are resource limited are they prioritising more serious crimes.
Even take those officers and allocate them to a road safety campaign for a day would that potentially save a KSI?
Ian
Ian H
Squire
But we all want to know what your position is on plasticine.
Rusty Nails
Country Member
Peaceful demonstration is one of the methods that, in a free society, can be used as part of the campaign to change the law. I suspect other, less controversial, methods are also being used, but make fewer headlines and can more easily be ignored/stymied by governments.
I believe in this case the law is being misused by the Labour government for political purposes. There was violence towards property in the air base break-in, but I believe it was obvious it would be discovered and do not believe it was designed to endanger lives, and could have been treated effectively by the use of existing laws.
spen666
Senior Member
Play Doh all the way
Rusty Nails
Country Member
Inflexible.
spen666
Senior Member
Peaceful demonstration is not deliberately committing crimes
Rusty Nails
Country Member
In your opinion.
In my opinion it can be...sometimes to change a law it is acceptable, or at least necessary, to defy it. The fact that so many people, clearly many of whom were not supporting terrorism, were willing to break what they see as an unjust law, and political misuse of the term terrorism, should give even this government pause for thought.
Pross
Active Member
Sure, it's a ridiculous waste of resources but if you're the Met Police Commissioner and the Home Secretary says they want anyone supporting the "illegal organisation" arrested you're probably thinking about the next time your budget is being reviewed. It shouldn't be the case but almost certainly is "why are we giving you these anti-terrorism funds when you refuse to arrest supporters of terrorist groups". The Tweet I initially responded to was very much along the lines of 'look how incompetent the Met is' whereas it is the Government they should be focussing on. I suspect that in part the police are taking action to demonstrate just how absurd the Government are being.
secretsqirrel
Regular
Just on a side note..
The vote in favour of legislation to proscribe group Palestine Action (also Maniacs Murder Cult and Russian Imperial movement) as a terrorist organisation, passed by 385 votes to 26.
10 of the 26 were from the Labour party. Many votes in support came from other parties. This is an Act of Parliament perfectly legitimate under the rules and as such the police are duty bound to support this. Under the same circumstances the result may have been the same whoever was in power.
Not saying its morally right, but arrests were inevitable as the law was broken.
The vote in favour of legislation to proscribe group Palestine Action (also Maniacs Murder Cult and Russian Imperial movement) as a terrorist organisation, passed by 385 votes to 26.
10 of the 26 were from the Labour party. Many votes in support came from other parties. This is an Act of Parliament perfectly legitimate under the rules and as such the police are duty bound to support this. Under the same circumstances the result may have been the same whoever was in power.
Not saying its morally right, but arrests were inevitable as the law was broken.
matticus
Guru
Is this some new definition you comissioned - perhaps from the same agency that added "... or criminal damage" to the government's definition of terrorism.
p.s. you're talking twaddle - in case I wasn't clear x