Israel / Palestine

[spen666]

In your opinion.

In my opinion it can be...sometimes to change a law it is acceptable, or at least necessary, to defy it. The fact that so many people, clearly many of whom were not supporting terrorism, were willing to break what they see as an unjust law, and political misuse of the term terrorism, should give even this government pause for thought.

If you choose to deliberately commit a criminal offence, then you cannot complain you are subject to the judicial process for the same
Your argument re numbers breaking the law is palpable nonsense. More than 500 or so took part in last summers riots, so by your argument their actions are equally ok?


Breaking the law is breaking the law - whether you agree with the law or not, you are subject to the risk of criminal sanctions if you deliberately choose to break the law.

 

[spen666]

Is this some new definition you comissioned - perhaps from the same agency that added "... or criminal damage" to the government's definition of terrorism.

p.s. you're talking twaddle - in case I wasn't clear x

criminal conduct is criminal conduct

 

[Pross]

Just on a side note..

The vote in favour of legislation to proscribe group Palestine Action (also Maniacs Murder Cult and Russian Imperial movement) as a terrorist organisation, passed by 385 votes to 26.

10 of the 26 were from the Labour party. Many votes in support came from other parties. This is an Act of Parliament perfectly legitimate under the rules and as such the police are duty bound to support this. Under the same circumstances the result may have been the same whoever was in power.

Not saying its morally right, but arrests were inevitable as the law was broken.

There probably is a genuine reason for the designation and the vast majority of those expressing support wouldn't do so if the knew the details but in the absence of anyone visble acts of terrorism by them and the reason for them being proscribed being deemed too secret for the general public to know this is just going to carry on. That said, if there are advanced warnings that anyone showing support for the group will be arrested and people turn up to show their support they can't really complain when they are subsequently arrested.

 

[Psamathe]

Peaceful demonstration is not deliberately committing crimes

In your opinion.

In my opinion it can be...sometimes to change a law it is acceptable, or at least necessary, to defy it. The fact that so many people, clearly many of whom were not supporting terrorism, were willing to break what they see as an unjust law, and political misuse of the term terrorism, should give even this government pause for thought.

Additionally, at what point does one stand up and say your Government is not behaving reasonably. Does one just go on forever allowing a Government to act as it pleases failing to provide reasons beyond "Trust me I'm a politician".

And to me standing peacefully holding a piece of cardboard to let your feelings be known to your Government is a quite reasonable path to take.

Ian

 

[Psamathe]

criminal conduct is criminal conduct

And looking at the grand scheme of things what is worst, unlawfully terminating the entire countries democratic legislature (unlawful prorogation of Parliament) or standing peacefully blocking no traffic holding a bit of card. And where were the police when out entire legislative process was unlawfully closed down? And what penalty has the perpetrator received?

Ian

 

[Pross]

Additionally, at what point does one stand up and say your Government is not behaving reasonably. Does one just go on forever allowing a Government to act as it pleases failing to provide reasons beyond "Trust me I'm a politician".

And to me standing peacefully holding a piece of cardboard to let your feelings be known to your Government is a quite reasonable path to take.

Ian

Isn't that why we have elections?

 

[Psamathe]

Isn't that why we have elections?

Elections are a very crude tool with little resolution, particularly in our First Past the Post system. Add so many MPs failing in their role of representing their constituency electorate and instead behaving as "lobby fodder" jumping to their leader every whim.

Hence the importance of things like protest to express your views, particularly when disrupting nobody through holding up a bit of cardboard. As I commented before there is a big difference between protesting expressing a viewpoint and providing means for a terrorist group to carry out theior activities.

 

[PurplePenguin]

If you choose to deliberately commit a criminal offence, then you cannot complain you are subject to the judicial process for the same
Your argument re numbers breaking the law is palpable nonsense. More than 500 or so took part in last summers riots, so by your argument their actions are equally ok?


Breaking the law is breaking the law - whether you agree with the law or not, you are subject to the risk of criminal sanctions if you deliberately choose to break the law.

Are the people who were arrested complaining?

 

[All uphill]

Are the people who were arrested complaining?

That's an interesting point.

When normally peaceful people knowingly risk arrest governments need to take notice.

The government then has some difficult choices. Push on (think the miners in 1984),
Modify their policies (think immigration demos)
Repeal the law.

 

[spen666]

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And to me standing peacefully holding a piece of cardboard to let your feelings be known to your Government is a quite reasonable path to take.

Ian

Except that the placards were showing support for a proscribed terrorist organisation which is a criminal offence - strangely you missed that bit out.

Try to spin it how you want, but those arrested were in the main deliberately breaking the law and deservedly arrested - not sure about Plasticine man - perhaps this government prefers play doh

 

[matticus]

criminal conduct is criminal conduct

duh, of course. But you said:

Peaceful demonstration is not deliberately committing crimes

So tell me how a PEACEFUL criminal act is not a PEACEFUL demonstration!

 

[Xipe Totec]

This should provide some clarification.

 

[CXRAndy]

Difference fighting for your country rather than against it

 

[Mazz]

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Brilliant! I wouldn't mind one of these t-shirts! 😂

 

[Mazz]

I suppose also there is : what were the Police not able to do because resource was being used to arrest 80 year old people holding bits of cardboard?

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