Israel / Palestine

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Times Letter of the Day:
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Freedom off speech does not mean entering private/military property and/or damaging it.(and historical dealing are even less relevant.)

Most of you seem to agree with this premise if the topic involves some kind of lunatics wanting to invade/protest/etc. accused migrant Hotels. But no it's Hamas own fanclub of whom most of the would be killed by the same Hamas if they ever said foot in Gaza so its all ok right?

 

[Psamathe]

So much time being wasted on a bunch of looneys in the UK when the real story is the horror happening in Gaza.
Our government's response - stop being naughty boys. Pathetic.

(My bold)
Probably a reason for that ... as somebody posted here recently (I saved the link but credit to whoever posted it)

ISRAEL LOBBY FUNDED HALF OF KEIR STARMER’S CABINET
Exclusive: Labour’s top team has accepted hundreds of thousands of pounds from pro-Israel funders.

Ian

 

[Pblakeney]

(My bold)
Probably a reason for that ... as somebody posted here recently (I saved the link but credit to whoever posted it)

Ian

Yeah. Being bought is worse than simply pathetic.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Just because you support the Palestinian people does not give you or any group the right to try to force their views to prevail by violence. To use violent means to force people to support your views is the classic definition of terrorism

Seems that the gist of @spen666's argument is that Palestine Action are a terrorist group because the Govt has proscribed them - can understand his logic, even is it appears somewhat pointless.
It does sound like the sort of argument that Yvette Cooper resorts to.
Why have Palestine Action been proscribed - well violence, funding from baddies like Iran, targeting Jewish business ...
Any evidence of these accusations? - ask JTAC. But you can't because national security type stuff says Yvette.
Palestine Action funded by Iran - nonsense.
Yvette Cooper funded by Labour Friends of Israel - £215,000 last year?

 

[Psamathe]

Seems that the gist of @spen666's argument is that Palestine Action are a terrorist group because the Govt has proscribed them

And we must recognise that no Government has ever misled anybody, never made any mistakes, never got anything wrong.

"Trust me I'm a politician" ... (used to work many years ago but we learn from experience)

Or do we start to list the ever increasing number of times courts have found against Government decisions?

Ian

 

[monkers]

And we must recognise that no Government has ever misled anybody, never made any mistakes, never got anything wrong.

"Trust me I'm a politician" ... (used to work many years ago but we learn from experience)

Or do we start to list the ever increasing number of times courts have found against Government decisions?

Ian

Yes, Hitler was right because he was elected. Any one opposed to him was a ''terrorist'' if Hitler said so.

 

[matticus]

somehow I'm misogynitic

oh would you please calm down dear? Let's just stick to the facts, eh. You're not doing yourself any favours getting over-excited like this.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

In fact this whole behaviour is acting contrary to the interests of people in Palestine as now the focus is on a proscribed terrorist group in the UK rather than on the suffering of those in the middle east.

Well I've read that sentence through a few times and my only conclusion is that it's absolute ballcocks.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

And we must recognise that no Government has ever misled anybody, never made any mistakes, never got anything wrong.

That's something else than ''because i don't trust the govement, these ''Palestina action'' poeple must be sweathearts'' I do agree that the goverment should provide much more clarity on how to came to the decision off declaring Palesina Action an terrorist organisation.

Similar as provide more evidence to claims they are Iran funded, and while there at it might as well include all those NGO's on hamas payrol.

"Trust me I'm a politician" ... (used to work many years ago but we learn from experience)

Or do we start to list the ever increasing number of times courts have found against Government decisions?

Ian

Butt( wordplay haha) then they started showing their @rse on the ''i'm a celerity'' all trust gone, or maybe the bus did it hard to tell...

Yes, Hitler was right because he was elected. Any one opposed to him was a ''terrorist'' if Hitler said so.

uhm So, although Hitler was not elected by the German people, he still came to power in a legal way. (source: https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/germany-1933-democracy-dictatorship/

Hitler was not elected, instead he lost when trying to get the poeple's vote.

 

[monkers]

Yes, Hitler was right because he was elected. Any one opposed to him was a ''terrorist'' if Hitler said so.

uhm So, although Hitler was not elected by the German people, he still came to power in a legal way. (source: https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/germany-1933-democracy-dictatorship/

Hitler was not elected, instead he lost when trying to get the poeple's vote.

You now see how I made my point there?

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

You now see how I made my point there?

Unless you want to claim Labour came to power by misusing existing laws and not after democratic elections you really haven't got a point. A dictatorship rising to power using certain events ''Kristalnacht'' in your example is not the same as a government democratic government coming to power via normal democratic processes deeming an certain organization a terrorist organization. Palestina Action is not the first and most likely won't be the last.

A other key difference is that our Goverment might arrest people for being part of a terrorist organisation, de Nazi's would have just shot/killed them. for the same alleged crime.

 

[monkers]

Unless you want to claim Labour came to power by misusing existing laws and not after democratic elections you really haven't got a point. A dictatorship rising to power using certain events ''Kristalnacht'' in your example is not the same as a government democratic government coming to power via normal democratic processes deeming an certain organization a terrorist organization. Palestina Action is not the first and most likely won't be the last.

A other key difference is that our Goverment might arrest people for being part of a terrorist organisation, de Nazi's would have just shot/killed them. for the same alleged crime.

It was a metaphor, but you missed that. No biggy, never mind.

 

[C R]

It will be 25 years on the 30th of September. The boy was Muhammad al-Durrah.

 

[Mr Celine]

A graph for the BR refugees to appreciate.

 

[Psamathe]

FYI (any comment would be obvious)

Israeli unit tasked with smearing Gaza journalists as Hamas fighters – report
A special unit in Israel’s military was tasked with identifying reporters it could smear as undercover Hamas fighters, to target them and to blunt international outrage over the killing of media workers, the Israeli-Palestinian outlet +972 Magazine reports.