Israel / Palestine

[C R]

I'm not, and I do, and they all condemn what their government is doing.

This needs some clarification, are they Jewish or are they Jewish and Israeli?

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

We all know exactly the number of fücks that Israel gives about international law. Now, will the Netherlands and UK respond properly* if Israel goes ahead?

*Properly in here means, will they respond the same way they would if instead of Israel it was Iran?

The Netherlands found there actions "dissapointing" no words about the palestinian "student" who admitted his role in the October 7 attack by proudly indicating it was him killing poeple sorry jews, lets not forget 7 October was about killing jews.

I'm not aware that anyone here is supporting Hamas. But there is no chance of any political change while Israel systematically destroys Gaza and its people.

There is no change of any change without backing the people of both countries, that why Rabin could killed by an othodox Jew who didn't like the idea of upcoming change.

So if you support Palestine it is deemed as offering tacit support for Hamas.
But if you specifically criticise the Israel government it is seen as being critical of the entire Jewish population.
We have to separate the politics from the people.

I Never said that, however i do know what i criticise and the groups in question have themselfes and in their audio worn/shown etc. clear justification/admiration/approval of Hamas action flags etc.

At some point you will possibly realise that people who are criticising Israel are not being anti Semitic or supporting Hamas.

I acknowledges that before at what point are you gonna realize 90% if not more pro Palestine supports Hamas whether it is knowingly or unknowingly and than that comment on the part a quoted from you, defending why they won't perform in Gaza with all kind of bullcrap. They won't perform in Gaza because they are not safe. and then i don't mean from Isreali snipers or something.

 

[AndyRM]

This needs some clarification, are they Jewish or are they Jewish and Israeli?

Jewish.

 

[C R]

Jewish.

So they aren't criticising  their government, they are criticising the government of Israel.

 

[AndyRM]

So they aren't criticising  their government, they are criticising the government of Israel.

Yup.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

So they aren't criticising  their government, they are criticising the government of Israel.

Nethanyahu's goverment is under heavy criticism for some time now, amongst other things because the rumors are he knew about October 7 before hand and obviously did nothing. other charges include abuse of power and corruption.
There have been before and during and after the war several and frequent protest against Nathanyahu. Media doesn't like to cover that because why context right?

 

[AndyRM]

Nethanyahu's goverment is under heavy criticism for some time now, amongst other things because the rumors are he knew about October 7 before hand and obviously did nothing. other charges include abuse of power and corruption.
There have been before and during and after the war several and frequent protest against Nathanyahu. Media doesn't like to cover that because why context right?

F*ck this.

I'm asking you directly.

Are you Jewish?

 

[C R]

Nethanyahu's goverment is under heavy criticism for some time now, amongst other things because the rumors are he knew about October 7 before hand and obviously did nothing. other charges include abuse of power and corruption.
There have been before and during and after the war several and frequent protest against Nathanyahu. Media doesn't like to cover that because why context right?

I'm not sure what this has to do with the clarification I asked of @AndyRM, but in any case, what do you mean by 'Media'? The guardian reports often on criticism of Netanyahu in Israel. The guardian is also a producer of NAZA.

 

[briantrumpet]

I'm not sure what this has to do with the clarification I asked of @AndyRM, but in any case, what do you mean by 'Media'? The guardian reports often on criticism of Netanyahu in Israel. The guardian is also a producer of NAZA.

I think we're into Obfuscationland.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

F*ck this.

I'm asking you directly.

Are you Jewish?

Nope, i'm Dutch i also don't know hwere you bichting on about i criticize both Israel and Hamas.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the clarification I asked of @AndyRM, but in any case, what do you mean by 'Media'? The guardian reports often on criticism of Netanyahu in Israel. The guardian is also a producer of NAZA.

Exactly what i say that the Guardian which is indeed media does report on things like that does not take away that in general it's quite under-reported. When Isreal was accused of bombing an hospital what later in fact turned out to be an rocket fired by an Hamas affiliated group there where also media who got that correct the first time does not take away that most media claimed with was an Isreali strike.

The same with years back the UNRWA claiming Isreal hit an school(after school hours) only for them to years later hidden away in an footnote admitting they the school was used for weapons storage. or all thos journalist crying about Isreal blowing up a tower where reuters, ALjaazera and other where housed only for some journalist to afterwards say they saw Hamas figures go up with rpg/weapons and that they would be harrased if they did wrote anything Hamas didn't like.

all didnt make the headines they just said isreal destroyed an journalist tower.. now how much of this so called genocide would turn out to be a little bit different later on?

 

[AndyRM]

Nope, i'm Dutch i also don't know hwere you bichting on about i criticize both Israel and Hamas.


Exactly what i say that the Guardian which is indeed media does report on things like that does not take away that in general it's quite under-reported. When Isreal was accused of bombing an hospital what later in fact turned out to be an rocket fired by an Hamas affiliated group there where also media who got that correct the first time does not take away that most media claimed with was an Isreali strike.

The same with years back the UNRWA claiming Isreal hit an school(after school hours) only for them to years later hidden away in an footnote admitting they the school was used for weapons storage. or all thos journalist crying about Isreal blowing up a tower where reuters, ALjaazera and other where housed only for some journalist to afterwards say they saw Hamas figures go up with rpg/weapons and that they would be harrased if they did wrote anything Hamas didn't like.

all didnt make the headines they just said isreal destroyed an journalist tower.. now how much of this so called genocide would turn out to be a little bit different later on?

I'm aware that you're Dutch. Which really has no bearing on what I was asking. But whatever.

Your line on this thread has always been to accuse people who are pro Palestine and anti Israel, regardless of faith, of being pro Hamas and anti Jewish.

It's f*cking weird dude.

Jews aren't being slated here. Netanyahu's Israel is.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

I'm aware that you're Dutch. Which really has no bearing on what I was asking. But whatever.

Dutch white mixed other to be precise other is unknown also just to clarify.

Your line on this thread has always been to accuse people who are pro Palestine and anti Israel, regardless of faith, of being pro Hamas and anti Jewish.

No but if people link/defend/or otherwise glorify terrorist i think it's fair to point that out, if i link/defend or otherwise glorify Isreali terrorirst you lot would be the first to point out. And i have been vindicated i told you lot having criminals about of the flotilla thing trying to breach the Isreal naval blockade was a bad thing, first lie was there where no terrorist on board multiple have been identified.(on international terrorist list in case you wanna go the "but isreal only calls them terrorist route)
i posted multiple times from the other side of Palestine, those who fight or fought(as now been killed) against Hamas. Those who welcomed America/Isreal is not that i suddenly don't support that side anymore its just time consuming because there is so much fake news/old news with different narratives etc. going around and i dont have that much time these days.
But to read that like you do now i don't get to be honest. Yes i say i people repeat a certain lie that is very much a propaganda line created by Hamas but how is that different then you lot calling Isreal out for their lies? and yes if you without looking at the bigger picture repeat Hamas lies you are indeed being pro-Hamas whether you intent to do that or not.
Same with all those Hamas flags during pro palestina protest, sometimes together with the gay/pride flags because nothing says you don't understand the care values of a group of Hamas better then that.
Hamas does not like us, they are not yet like Isis but if they ever reach their goal of destroying Isreal the rest of the west will be next. Just like Isis has planned, t they all use religion as a weapon of war. Children as a toy of propaganda, media as recruitment toy.

It's f*cking weird dude.

Jews aren't being slated here. Netanyahu's Israel is.

I don't alwasy see that more often then not i see jew hatred returning, from never being fully gone.

 

[C R]

Dutch white mixed other to be precise other is unknown also just to clarify.

No but if people link/defend/or otherwise glorify terrorist i think it's fair to point that out, if i link/defend or otherwise glorify Isreali terrorirst you lot would be the first to point out. And i have been vindicated i told you lot having criminals about of the flotilla thing trying to breach the Isreal naval blockade was a bad thing, first lie was there where no terrorist on board multiple have been identified.(on international terrorist list in case you wanna go the "but isreal only calls them terrorist route)
i posted multiple times from the other side of Palestine, those who fight or fought(as now been killed) against Hamas. Those who welcomed America/Isreal is not that i suddenly don't support that side anymore its just time consuming because there is so much fake news/old news with different narratives etc. going around and i dont have that much time these days.
But to read that like you do now i don't get to be honest. Yes i say i people repeat a certain lie that is very much a propaganda line created by Hamas but how is that different then you lot calling Isreal out for their lies? and yes if you without looking at the bigger picture repeat Hamas lies you are indeed being pro-Hamas whether you intent to do that or not.
Same with all those Hamas flags during pro palestina protest, sometimes together with the gay/pride flags because nothing says you don't understand the care values of a group of Hamas better then that.
Hamas does not like us, they are not yet like Isis but if they ever reach their goal of destroying Isreal the rest of the west will be next. Just like Isis has planned, t they all use religion as a weapon of war. Children as a toy of propaganda, media as recruitment toy.



I don't alwasy see that more often then not i see jew hatred returning, from never being fully gone.

Have you stopped beating your partner yet?

 

[C R]

Israel forces overwhelmed by violent settlers in "terrorist attack".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ence-west-bank-attack-jalud-palestinians-icrc

I imagine that the IDF is preparing to dish the settlements in the West Bank the same treatment as Gaza, any time now.

 

[briantrumpet]

This is exactly why rabid intolerance has made the whole thing so toxic and impossible for anyone to navigate.