It's a rout - is the old order on the way out?

[Stevo 666]

IMO, it isn't complicated at all.

You think tax isn't complicated?

 

[Stevo 666]

Now back to that question....

 

[cookiemonster]

You think tax isn't complicated?

Not here it isn't.

 

[Stevo 666]

Not here it isn't.

Relatively speaking, maybe. But cow-boy was talking about the UK.

Now...

 

[Xipe Totec]

Wasn't it the same then? Lots of media support for Farage, but ultimately polling indicated that people don't want Farage to be PM.

I suppose back then Farage's party (can't remember - UKIP? The Brexit Party? BNP? NF?) didn't have any MPs, hadn't made colossal gains in local elections & hadn't supplanted the Tories in every poll.

 

[Ian H]

Unpossible, white British people can never be immigrants.

Henning Wehn described an immigrant as someone who moved to a country richer than theirs. An expat is one who moves to a poorer country. On that basis, having moved from Germany to the UK, he calls himself an expat.

 

[Xipe Totec]

This is perhaps the best thread for this:

https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-uk-defeated-tory-mps-struggle-adjust-civilian-life/

Whoever could have anticipated that former leopards would have such tasty, tasty faces?

 

[Badger_Boom]

My heart bleeds for the poor things.

Is their problem really "finding a job when you're well known", or finding a job when they have limited experience of doing anything other than being professionally opinionated?

 

[secretsqirrel]

Liberal Democrat Deputy Leader Daisy Cooper said: "By sacking himself, Zia Yusuf seems to be leading the "UK Doge" by example. You have to admire his commitment to the cause.

 

[Beebo]

Labour win a by election in Scotland! And it was previously an SNP seat.
So it’s a mid term gain.

But it was a very close 3 way race. Reform getting large numbers of votes in Scotland is ominous.

SNP are toast if they can’t hold their seats.

 

[Xipe Totec]

Labour win a by election in Scotland! And it was previously an SNP seat.
So it’s a mid term gain.

But it was a very close 3 way race. Reform getting large numbers of votes in Scotland is ominous.

SNP are toast if they can’t hold their seats.

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This might help clarify the minds of those who thought Labour taking 37 seats (a gain of 36) last July was a consequence of GTTO.

The SNP has been rendered toxic to the majority of non-engaged Scottish voters who might once have defaulted to them, and it's hard to see what the way back might be.

Either that or we will have to accept that the politics of hate, austerity and division have gained a significant foothold in Scotland.

 

[First Aspect]

SNP are currently staying afloat in the polls for want of a better option. The Reform vote was lower than polling, which I see as an indication it really is a protest vote.

Optimistically, the sensibleness of Labour at the moment seems to be working to an extent. And the SNP gave it precisely 6 months and a couple of polls to start on about independence again. I think that's a bad mistake. People are tired of it, and the polls are more about people imagining a hypothetical long time after independence, rather than indicating they want to go through yet another trauma right now.

 

[Pross]

Labour win a by election in Scotland! And it was previously an SNP seat.
So it’s a mid term gain.

But it was a very close 3 way race. Reform getting large numbers of votes in Scotland is ominous.

SNP are toast if they can’t hold their seats.

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This will blow the mind of our MAGA correspondent who was hailing Reform winning a ward seat in the by-election for a rural Welsh Council with a turnout of 750 voters as a big victory and a sign of things to come just a week ago (to be fair I don't think he really understood the information beyond a headline of a Reform by-election win).

 

[icowden]

This will blow the mind of our MAGA correspondent

He seems to have gone quite quiet...

 

[Xipe Totec]

SNP are currently staying afloat in the polls for want of a better option. The Reform vote was lower than polling, which I see as an indication it really is a protest vote.

Optimistically, the sensibleness of Labour at the moment seems to be working to an extent. And the SNP gave it precisely 6 months and a couple of polls to start on about independence again. I think that's a bad mistake. People are tired of it, and the polls are more about people imagining a hypothetical long time after independence, rather than indicating they want to go through yet another trauma right now.

You will be oblivious to the detail that the SNP fought (if you can call it that) their campaign entirely on keeping Reform out, and by characterising Labour of incapable of winning. There was not a single mention of independence, and that very probably wasn't a cack-handed oversight.

Many pro-indpendence Scots are angry at, and abandoning the SNP because they have become so timid about what is their single reason for existing. The voting stats from Hamilton are being broadly interpreted as a consequence of former SNP voters staying home.