Mandy

[Pinno718]

It'll be amusing to hear outrage from Reform about No10 putting pressure on civil servants when it's their policy to sack civil servants and replace them with people who'll do what No10 tell them

You never watched 'Yes minister'?

 

[Pblakeney]

Does it not also consider where individuals might have other influences (eg personal interests like their companies) and to put in place mitigations to protect against those personal interests influencing their Government role.

If we discount all those with vested interests would we even have a parliament? 🤣

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Does it not also consider where individuals might have other influences (eg personal interests like their companies) and to put in place mitigations to protect against those personal interests influencing their Government role.

That seems to be the suggestion from Robbins testimony. I am not entirely sure. I always thought it was a binary pass/fail scenario but he seems to be suggesting it is more nuanced with mitigating factors put in place, as you suggest.

 

[CXRAndy]

The paperwork doesn't seem to tally either Robbins saying there isn't a pass or fail, but an assessment of the vetting. With indication of maybe a refusal.

However there is talk of a green/amber/red check box document with mandleson clearly placed in the red box for 'dont touch him with a barge poll'

 

[BoldonLad]

My understanding Ifrom reliable reports) is that the concerns are in relation to Madlelson's companies and contacts with some foreign Governments (eg China and Russia). Thus Robbins put mitigations in place to protect against those concerns and thus allow the appointment to proceed.

Yes, well, that was rather my point, there was enough “dodgy” stuff on Mandy before the supposed vetting, to make him a likely candidate to join Reform, but, not to be Ambassador to the USA or any other Government position.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Why did the David Maddox story about Mandelson 'failing' vetting not get picked up at the time by (a) other media and (b) the politicians now trumpeting 'Starmer must go'?

Asking for a friend.

 

[CXRAndy]

It did, it was talked about it in the chambers by an MP.

 

[TailWindHome]

Up to a point. It confirms that Robbins didn't inform him

Everything after this is supposition

 

[TailWindHome]

You never watched 'Yes minister'?

"Appointing Mandelson would be a brave decision Prime Minister'

 

[briantrumpet]

Everything after this is supposition

Isn't that something you shove up yer arse?

 

[Pinno718]

This is obviously untrue

1. Starmer benefits if he stays on as do his cabinet members
2. Those who want to be next labour leader and or next PM benefit if he goes

You may come up with other examples, but some will benefit if he stays and some will benefit if he goes

Does Britain benefit?

 

[BoldonLad]

Does Britain benefit?

Since when is that a consideration?

 

[BoldonLad]

Poor Ollie has been sacked. Has anyone given a thought to how or where he is going to get another job? Poor chap may have a mortgage to pay.

 

[Psamathe]

Poor Ollie has been sacked. Has anyone given a thought to how or where he is going to get another job? Poor chap may have a mortgage to pay.

Seems very unfair to lose a career because of the failings of others you [Robbins] has no control over.

Happening to too many who work for Starmer; says something (not good) about Starmer.

 

[BoldonLad]

Seems very unfair to lose a career because of the failings of others you [Robbins] has no control over.

Happening to too many who work for Starmer; says something (not good) about Starmer.

Quite, but, so far, I have seen any expressions of sympathy for Ollie (not just here)