Mike Amesbury MP

[ebikeerwidnes]

He clearly has a right to defend himself

and I have not seen a clear statement from him about why he felt threatened WHEN HE HIT HIM
as opposed to a few minutes before

It may be that he didn't feel he could just walk away because he felt he would be attacked - or something

after all we only see the clip the DM chose to show - there may be more

but he will have to have a damn good reason to survive this with his career in politics intact

we shall see

p.s. thing about the DM is that it is VERY good at facts - I used to read the old copies my ex-mother-in-law used to keep around for recycling. Very good journalism - lots of theories and opinions on page one with pictures.
Then LOTS of text of page 2 of a double page spread with facts that they know hardly anyone will read, which could be used if they ever got sued

so look for teh facts and what they are not telling you yet

 

[winjim]

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[AndyRM]

He clearly has a right to defend himself

and I have not seen a clear statement from him about why he felt threatened WHEN HE HIT HIM
as opposed to a few minutes before

It may be that he didn't feel he could just walk away because he felt he would be attacked - or something

after all we only see the clip the DM chose to show - there may be more

but he will have to have a damn good reason to survive this with his career in politics intact

we shall see

p.s. thing about the DM is that it is VERY good at facts - I used to read the old copies my ex-mother-in-law used to keep around for recycling. Very good journalism - lots of theories and opinions on page one with pictures.
Then LOTS of text of page 2 of a double page spread with facts that they know hardly anyone will read, which could be used if they ever got sued

so look for teh facts and what they are not telling you yet

Most credible and actually independent checkers (IPSO is a joke) agree that the Mail is unreliable and wilfully misleads readers.

I don't have a problem with it existing, or even it being used as a source but I'd rather know if I'm being taken there.

 

[Bromptonaut]

The police are investigating an Amesbury has been (I think reports said) interviewed.

I thought I heard a suggestion that he was being harassed and/or stalked and threatened.

Lets see what happens and who is charged with what.

 

[AndyRM]

From the Beeb:

Posting on his own Facebook page on Saturday, the 55-year-old backbencher said: "Last night I was involved in an incident that took place after I felt threatened following an evening out with friends.

"This morning I contacted Cheshire Police myself to report what happened.

"I will not be making any further public comment but will of course cooperate with any inquiries if required by Cheshire Police."

 

[monkers]

Blair, ''well John is John''.

Prescott, ''Tony told me to connect with the electorate''.


View: https://youtu.be/CdehHzWsApg


Not that the cases are the same. To be clear before I speak, I am not a lawyer.

I think I heard the man say ''I'll clock you one'', which sounds like a threat.

I may be wholly or at least partly right or even completely wrong, but am I to believe that under UK domestic law that when one believes they are under a real threat of violence, then a pre-emptive strike is not disallowed?

I guess this becomes a matter of what is reasonable and proportionate, but of course he could have just tried walking away first, he didn't appear to be trapped.

 

[monkers]

Labour Party has suspended Mr Amesbury now

Yes but to be fair, no fault suspensions are standard practice. Not saying that you don't understand that, but it probably deserves that bit of clarification.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

the 55-year-old backbencher said: "Last night I was involved in an incident that took place after I felt threatened following an evening out with friends.

"This morning I contacted Cheshire Police myself to report what happened.

I’d like to hear from him why, if he felt threatened and an altercation ensued, he waited until footage of it was all over social media before contacting the police to report it.

Not that I’m cynical or anything.

 

[presta]

I thought I heard a suggestion that he was being harassed and/or stalked and threatened.

There was a video on the news of him saying immediately afterwards something like "that'll teach you to threaten me!".

 

[BoldonLad]

Nothing to see here, move on.

He's not a Tory MP (and Spen posted it) so there must have been some justification for his actions.

At least the suspension was swift.

Not as if the suspension really matters, they have enough “spares” in the “majority cupboard”.

Plus, so far at least, he has been spared the “total confidence” accolade. 😊

 

[spen666]

Yes but to be fair, no fault suspensions are standard practice. Not saying that you don't understand that, but it probably deserves that bit of clarification.

He could be suspended for a very long time because of the poor state of the judicial system.

Assuming he is suspended pending the outcome of the matter.

Potentially, a police investigation may eventually result in a file being sent to the CPS for a charging decision, if so, that could take to end of year if not longer to get a charging decision given it would be a full code test.

If charge were to be laid and was one that could go to Crown Court, then it could easily be 2026 before a trial date is fixed because it will be a bail case and therefore not a priority case for a trial date.

That sort of delay is a regular feature at Crown Courts for bail cases. It's unfair on Defendants, victims and in a case such as this on constituents. Especially if he were to later be acquitted


Alternatively, a decision not to charge or an early guilty plea and matter could be concluded much sooner.


The wheels of justice turn very slowly at present

 

[spen666]

I’d like to hear from him why, if he felt threatened and an altercation ensued, he waited until footage of it was all over social media before contacting the police to report it.

Not that I’m cynical or anything.

You won't hear anything like that until either legal proceedings ( or the investigation if no charges result) have concluded or evidence is given at a trial

 

[spen666]

From the Beeb:

Posting on his own Facebook page on Saturday, the 55-year-old backbencher said: "Last night I was involved in an incident that took place after I felt threatened following an evening out with friends.

"This morning I contacted Cheshire Police myself to report what happened.

"I will not be making any further public comment but will of course cooperate with any inquiries if required by Cheshire Police."

Can be easy to read too much into a post on social media, but interesting to see he say he felt threatened, not that he was threatened. That could be a significant post , or it could be reading something into a post that isn't really justified

 

[icowden]

Can be easy to read too much into a post on social media, but interesting to see he say he felt threatened, not that he was threatened. That could be a significant post , or it could be reading something into a post that isn't really justified

There are multiple reports that he had been stalked and threatened - I wonder if it is the same person involved, in which case it may have been one of those straw that broke the camels back situations.

In any event I think regardless of the footage, it's probably best to wait to see whether he is charged with anything and whether a preemptive thump was warranted.

 

[spen666]

He could be suspended for a very long time because of the poor state of the judicial system.

Assuming he is suspended pending the outcome of the matter.

Potentially, a police investigation may eventually result in a file being sent to the CPS for a charging decision, if so, that could take to end of year if not longer to get a charging decision given it would be a full code test.

If charge were to be laid and was one that could go to Crown Court, then it could easily be 2026 before a trial date is fixed because it will be a bail case and therefore not a priority case for a trial date.

That sort of delay is a regular feature at Crown Courts for bail cases. It's unfair on Defendants, victims and in a case such as this on constituents. Especially if he were to later be acquitted


Alternatively, a decision not to charge or an early guilty plea and matter could be concluded much sooner.


The wheels of justice turn very slowly at present

From information from various sources in the legal profession, cases are in some instances being listed in 2027 already - that is cases already at the Crown Court. The Judicial System is broken