Normal Island

[Psamathe]

You employ someone because he's a bit of a geezer and then act surprised when it turns out he really is.

I think/hope presenters can do the "bit of a geezer" without the alleged sexual content allegedly directed at women present making them embarrassed (I may not be fully up to date with latest allegations).

Highly paid, high profile presenters should be expected to play the part without resorting to the content is seems Wallace is said to have been using. Presenting is a skilled job, hence not dragging in anybody with a mouth. If he hasn't got the skill he should never have been given the job.

Meanwhile BBC continue to broadcast his programs - exploiting the scandal for ratings?

Ian

 

[Beebo]

 

[AndyRM]

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There was a Mellie strip fairly recently where he took over from Alan Titchmarsh, it was hilarious.

 

[AuroraSaab]

When it first arose Roger Melee sprang immediately to mind. There'll be a few new definitions in the next edition of the Profanasaurus I expect.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Meanwhile BBC continue to broadcast his programs - exploiting the scandal for ratings?

While he seems to be an ar*ehole and deserves the condemnation, and probable career damage, that has come his way, there is no reason why the already recorded series cannot continue. No one will come to any harm knowing that they are watching a man who has been outed as an unpleasant ar*ehole behind the scenes, and now that they know it they can just avoid the show if they wish in protest.

If showing this series would cause upset to the contestants on this series then that could be a reason for not showing it, but afaics there is no indication that this is the case.

 

[Psamathe]

No one will come to any harm knowing that they are watching a man who has been outed as an unpleasant ar*ehole behind the scenes, and now that they know it they can just avoid the show if they wish in protest.

I suppose my comment & concerns come in that it is still early days. When these types of scandal start it tends to take time for the full extent to emerge as those impacted get to feel confident enough to go more public and report their experiences.

Sometimes some might be seeking to raise their experiences through lawyers to protect their anonymity, maybe more junior staff on lower pay might struggle with costs and with concerns over impacts on their careers if they go public and might be waiting in assurances over anonymity.

As headlines progress so more cases are often reported so I'd expect the program to be off-air until the extent and culpability have been fully established.

Edit: End of BBC Newsnight tomorrow's headlines and Sun had "6 more Gregg victims" (though only headline, no "since").

Ian

 

[AuroraSaab]

Meanwhile BBC continue to broadcast his programs - exploiting the scandal for ratings?

I don't think they should drop Masterchef before it finishes. It would punish everybody on the show, including contestants. He's obviously very unpleasant - more stories coming out every day - but he doesn't seem to have been accused of anything other than behaving 24/7 like he's in a 1970's sex comedy. I'm a bit surprised it has had so much coverage. Salacious celebrity stories always sell I suppose.

 

[matticus]

I think/hope presenters can do the "bit of a geezer" without the alleged sexual content allegedly directed at women present making them embarrassed (I may not be fully up to date with latest allegations).

Highly paid, high profile presenters should be expected to play the part without resorting to the content is seems Wallace is said to have been using. Presenting is a skilled job, hence not dragging in anybody with a mouth. If he hasn't got the skill he should never have been given the job.

But he was given the job. And he won't be the last.
[pick 3 daytime TV shows from this week's schedule - how many of the presenters have appropriate training/background? And how many are just personalities that can read an autocue? They get the jobs on various ephemeral qualities; celebrity, zaniness, looks good in a short skirt, etc ... this is TV in the 21stC]

 

[multitool]

They get the jobs on various ephemeral qualities; celebrity, zaniness, looks good in a short skirt, etc ... this is TV in the 21stC]

Might I ask how you know this? Or are you just surmising based on the qualities that you are able to identify as a viewer? How do you know that the presenter does not possess qualities which are not apparent on the screen? Might they be reliable, punctual, tolerant of long working hours, organised, co-operative with other employees? Might they be part of the production or research team?

What is the alternative? Experts? How, for example, would you find an expert to present the One show, a programme which is, after all, about absolutely nothing?

I don't know the answer to the question I have asked you, beyond having a close relative who held a relatively senior position at the BBC up until about 15 years ago. The only insight I have is that things are sometimes far more considered than you might expect, and politics play a large part (see J.Savile Esq)

You are right that Wallace was given the job. Lots of jobs in fact over almost 25 years. It seems unlikely that his overbearing boorish behaviour was limited to Masterchef. Perhaps the question is not 'how did he get the job', but 'how did he keep it'.

As an aside, here is an excerpt from Wallace's Wiki page on his marital history:

"Wallace married his first wife, Christine, in 1991 but their marriage only lasted six weeks. He has two children, Libby and Tom, with his second wife, former pastry chef Denise, whom he was married to between 1999 and 2004. Wallace then married biology teacher Heidi Brown, in 2010, his third wife who was 17 years his junior, after meeting her on Twitter, in 2010. But the two went their separate ways after 15 months."

Read into this what you will.

 

[Beebo]

Might I ask how you know this? Or are you just surmising based on the qualities that you are able to identify as a viewer? How do you know that the presenter does not possess qualities which are not apparent on the screen? Might they be reliable, punctual, tolerant of long working hours, organised, co-operative with other employees? Might they be part of the production or research team?

What is the alternative? Experts? How, for example, would you find an expert to present the One show, a programme which is, after all, about absolutely nothing?

I don't know the answer to the question I have asked you, beyond having a close relative who held a relatively senior position at the BBC up until about 15 years ago. The only insight I have is that things are sometimes far more considered than you might expect, and politics play a large part (see J.Savile Esq)

You are right that Wallace was given the job. Lots of jobs in fact over almost 25 years. It seems unlikely that his overbearing boorish behaviour was limited to Masterchef. Perhaps the question is not 'how did he get the job', but 'how did he keep it'.

As an aside, here is an excerpt from Wallace's Wiki page on his marital history:

"Wallace married his first wife, Christine, in 1991 but their marriage only lasted six weeks. He has two children, Libby and Tom, with his second wife, former pastry chef Denise, whom he was married to between 1999 and 2004. Wallace then married biology teacher Heidi Brown, in 2010, his third wife who was 17 years his junior, after meeting her on Twitter, in 2010. But the two went their separate ways after 15 months."

Read into this what you will.

You have forgotten his 4th wife who is 21 years younger.
But that marriage is still going after 8 years.

 

[matticus]

Wallace's Wiki page on his marital history:

"Wallace married his first wife, Christine, in 1991 but their marriage only lasted six weeks. He has two children, Libby and Tom, with his second wife, former pastry chef Denise, whom he was married to between 1999 and 2004. Wallace then married biology teacher Heidi Brown, in 2010, his third wife who was 17 years his junior, after meeting her on Twitter, in 2010. But the two went their separate ways after 15 months."

Read into this what you will.

You have a strange obesssion with his personal life?

 

[multitool]

You have a strange obesssion with his personal life?

I don't think quoting a short section of his wiki page constitutes an "obsession", matticus.

It tells you something about his ability to sustain relationships with women.

 

[cookiemonster]

I don't think quoting a short section of his wiki page constitutes an "obsession", matticus.

It tells you something about his ability to sustain relationships with women.

Hey Multers! Good to see you back old chap! I hope all is well.

 

[AndyRM]

 

[icowden]

I, for one, am shocked. Who would have thought that a former salt of the earth fruit and veg market stall holder, milwall supported and part time football hooligan would make disparaging comments about women? I find it hard to believe that such a chap would ever have called out "lah-velly pear luv - 'ere grab onto me juicy melons.." or made similar vulgar comments.