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[C R]

I wasn't sure if I should put this here or in the art thread

View: https://youtu.be/NFIB2J5iNC0?si=h6oPU3fUph-8gq6r

 

[slowmotion]

First, one must condemn.

Oh dear. I've only just learned the etiquette of "taking offense". Condemning will be my New Year project.

 

[multitool]

It's a one-step process: Condemn.

Saves having to do anything of that difficult stuff called "thinking".

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

His alleged manifestho below for what it's worth

"To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty."

 

[Fab Foodie]

Oh dear. I've only just learned the etiquette of "taking offense". Condemning will be my New Year project.

Keep-up at the back!

 

[glasgowcyclist]

It seems that the more the authorities try to intimidate the public with their theatrics around Mr Mangione, the greater his folk hero status grows.

Judging by social media, the state’s efforts are backfiring.

 

[Psamathe]

My understanding is that they are pursuing the shooter under Terrorist charges which introduces an interesting side aspect to the issues. If it is a Terrorist charge then that in effects brings CEO of United Healthcare as a government agent which then means US Healthcare must be a US Government function not a private function.

Terrorism (under US law) is based an intent to intimidate or coerce the civilian population or Government unit, so what shooter did can only be terrorism if CEO of United Healthcare is part of Government which would make healthcare a responsibility of Government.

My understanding.

Ian

 

[Beebo]

My understanding is that they are pursuing the shooter under Terrorist charges which introduces an interesting side aspect to the issues. If it is a Terrorist charge then that in effects brings CEO of United Healthcare as a government agent which then means US Healthcare must be a US Government function not a private function.

Terrorism (under US law) is based an intent to intimidate or coerce the civilian population or Government unit, so what shooter did can only be terrorism if CEO of United Healthcare is part of Government which would make healthcare a responsibility of Government.

My understanding.

Ian

That doesn’t make much sense.
The dead CEO can also be part of the civilian population.

 

[Psamathe]

My understanding is that they are pursuing the shooter under Terrorist charges which introduces an interesting side aspect to the issues. If it is a Terrorist charge then that in effects brings CEO of United Healthcare as a government agent which then means US Healthcare must be a US Government function not a private function.

Terrorism (under US law) is based an intent to intimidate or coerce the civilian population or Government unit, so what shooter did can only be terrorism if CEO of United Healthcare is part of Government which would make healthcare a responsibility of Government.

My understanding.

Ian

That doesn’t make much sense.
The dead CEO can also be part of the civilian population.

In which case in what way was the shooter trying to intimadate the civilian population? Trying to coerce or intimidate the civilian population not to be CEOs of Health Insurance companies?

Ian

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Terrorism (under US law) is based an intent to intimidate or coerce the civilian population or Government unit,

That makes the USA, through successive governments, the biggest terrorist state on the planet.

I think they’re using this because they’re afraid of the popularity of Mangione.

Were the insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol under Trump’s coaxing on January 6 charged with terrorism?

Was the Florida guy accused of attempting to assassinate Trump charged with terrorism?

Has any KKK member ever been charged as a terrorist?

I’m certain the answer to all of the above is no, so why is this guy singled out?

 

[AuroraSaab]

Explanation here. Seems a bit pointless bringing a terrorism charge when the facts of charging it as a murder case look quite straightforward. If the point was to send a message to other like minded people ie. act as a deterrent, I'm not sure that works because as the article says it will make a conviction a little harder if anything.


https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...one-terrorism-charges-ceo-murder/77086607007/

 

[Psamathe]

Seems a bit pointless bringing a terrorism charge when the facts of charging it as a murder case look quite straightforward.

My only guess is that it might give the police additional powers eg hold longer without charge or maybe more powers to collect evidence. eg use those extra powers then later decide to drop the terrorism and revert to murder. But that's a guess not based on anything.

Generally I feel these days Governments (particularly oppressive ones) seem very ready to declare something as "terrorism" as that often seems to quite public questions.

Ian

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

That makes the USA, through successive governments, the biggest terrorist state on the planet.

The goverment is always excluded for some reason.

I think they’re using this because they’re afraid of the popularity of Mangione.

Yes, or rather the movement that can follow from it, just like the mask things from a few years back mean some powerfull poeple buy all fractions in the US politics, movements like this are hard to be an suppression without looking like an a-hole isn't easy either, so they go full out on those who got caught. a bit the same how they went all out on all the Farage/Britain first rioters this summer.

Were the insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol under Trump’s coaxing on January 6 charged with terrorism?

Was the Florida guy accused of attempting to assassinate Trump charged with terrorism?

No idea but it would be wrong because it was an attempted political murder, and yes i understand it first the description of terrorism, but just because it fits the description doesn't mean it is.

Has any KKK member ever been charged as a terrorist?

I’m certain the answer to all of the above is no, so why is this guy singled out?

Because he exposes a problem so they prefer to focus on other things so they up the charges

 

[Psamathe]

I think they’re using this because they’re afraid of the popularity of Mangione.

It's been striking me as strange in that in the UK much of what I've seen reported on this has been the public reaction against Healthcare Insurance and how bad the insurance companies are, very little about the alleged murder.

Ian

 

[Mr Celine]

It's been striking me as strange in that in the UK much of what I've seen reported on this has been the public reaction against Healthcare Insurance and how bad the insurance companies are, very little about the alleged murder.

Ian

Eh? It was on the BBC's front page every day until the suspect was detained. Meanwhile a local murder didn't even reach the UK page.

What more is there to know about the murder?