Prince Andrew

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mudsticks

mudsticks

Squire
Unkraut said:
There may be many a true word spoken in jest ... my dad used to reckon that Prince Phillip was a lot of the trouble. The duke passed his own emotionally stunted upbringing in boarding schools on to his children.
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That's been a tendency among all of the 'upper' classes for centuries though..

Sending little kids off to boarding school, to be indoctrinated with all kinds of nonsense about being the natural born 'ruling classes' whilst at the same time, separating them from normal society, and stunting their emotional development, seems not so very far from child abuse .

Or child neglect at any rate .
It's a perculiarly messed up British habit

And might well account for some of the ' deficiencies' in our present government.
 
Fab Foodie

Fab Foodie

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mudsticks said:
That's been a tendency among all of the 'upper' classes for centuries though..

Sending little kids off to boarding school, to be indoctrinated with all kinds of nonsense about being the natural born 'ruling classes' whilst at the same time, separating them from normal society, and stunting their emotional development, seems not so very far from child abuse .

Or child neglect at any rate .
It's a perculiarly messed up British habit

And might well account for some of the ' deficiencies' in our present government.
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Oi!
I went to boarding school....
 
matticus

matticus

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mudsticks said:
How can she forgive her son for (alleged) abuse of a third party??

If it was my son I wouldn't be in a position to forgive him for having hurt someone else .

It would be up to the offended against to bestow forgiveness.

I'm not saying I'd disown them or whatever, but it certainly wouldn't be my place to forgive them for sins committed against another.
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So what else could you do? Will you hold it against him until the victims forgive him? (There is probably a better word here ... pardon doesn't cover it either ... oh well ...)

You've done a fine job of cricitising another parent; when your son assaults someone, what will YOU do? Do you have a level somewhere below "disown"?
 
mudsticks

mudsticks

Squire
matticus said:
So what else could you do? Will you hold it against him until the victims forgive him? (There is probably a better word here ... pardon doesn't cover it either ... oh well ...)

You've done a fine job of cricitising another parent; when your son assaults someone, what will YOU do? Do you have a level somewhere below "disown"?
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I've said that it's not anyone's place to 'forgive' someone for a wrong they've done to someone else..

That's not criticising another parent..
 
matticus

matticus

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mudsticks said:
I've said that it's not anyone's place to 'forgive' someone for a wrong they've done to someone else..

That's not criticising another parent..
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- Well I'm a bit puzzled as to why you would comment on it. But anyway, perhaps just crossed wires.

- Meanwhile, are you now saying that taking Andrew to the service was OK?
 
mudsticks

mudsticks

Squire
matticus said:
- Well I'm a bit puzzled as to why you would comment on it. But anyway, perhaps just crossed wires.

- Meanwhile, are you now saying that taking Andrew to the service was OK?
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It's pretty clear I've said I don't believe it's anyone's place to forgive a wrong committed against another .

I don't know that she 'took' him he's not a dog .
AFAIK he accompanied her .

Being a bit less prominent in that role might have been a bit of a better look, or better PR.
After all PR is the main function of the Royals yes??
They don't actually do anything .

But that being 'more discreet' goes for Andrew too .
He's a supposed grown up .

As a very hypothetical situation ..

If I was a public figure and if one of my son's had behaved in the way that Andrew has, I wouldn't be disowning him, but I also wouldn't be asking him to accompany me to very public events like this

As a parent I'd be dissapointed, ashamed of what he'd done, wondering where I went wrong etc etc.

Of course I'd still carry on being his mother.
 
mudsticks

mudsticks

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Milkfloat said:
As you know this is a public forum it is not a private chat room. Besides, I am right and you are wrong, plus I had a defenceless female to defend whilst she was busy in the garden :whistle:
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Swoon.. :rolleyes:

Ps I'm now indoors avoiding the very very cold wind , pretending to do admin..

Could you possibly keep all the (admirtedly) epic defending stuff down a tad..
 
matticus

matticus

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Milkfloat said:
As you know this is a public forum it is not a private chat room. Besides, I am right and you are wrong, plus I had a defenceless female to defend whilst she was busy in the garden :whistle:
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I am sure you are right on every count: but I was merely explaining why I do not give a hoot about your post (which you addressed to me). I thought that was more polite than simply ignoring it.
Love, M
 
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