Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[Stevo 666]

As a traditional Tory voter wouldn’t you rather see them move back to sensible centre right pro business, small government policies rather than trying to take on far right populists at their own game? At present Reform are the greatest risk to the future of the Conservative Party (as well as Labour). Why would they want a pact when they are taking Tory MPs every few days and are forcing the narrative?

It may depend on whether Reform reckon they can take down Labour alone when the time comes. In the end, it's better to get shot of Labour like I said and the right of centre parties will hopefully realise this.

Anyhow, Labour have also been accused of taking in the populists at their own game. Maybe some of this is being driven by what they see as a chunk of the electorate wanting?

 

[Beebo]

Anyhow, Labour have also been accused of taking in the populists at their own gamme. Maybe some of this is being driven by what they see as a chunk of the electorate wanting?

The problem is that what people want, and wants actually good for them are two different things.
I just don’t see how a party of the worst rejects from the Tories can possibly succeed at governing.

 

[briantrumpet]

Nor failed ex-Tories, if you ask me.

 

[icowden]

It may depend on whether Reform reckon they can take down Labour alone when the time comes. In the end, it's better to get shot of Labour like I said and the right of centre parties will hopefully realise this.

If you don't like the way that the boss is working, the solution is not to try and replace him with a swivel-eyed gibbering loon.
The UK thrives in the centre ground. Reform is not it. Reform has captured a swathe of the uneducated sun readers and the old age pensioners, traditional stalwarts of the Conservative Party. It has also taken all the failed Tory Politicians.

If a party is to win, it just needs to be moderate and sensible. That's where the power is. No-one wants Chairman Mao or Adolf Hitler. A John Major will do.

 

[C R]

If you don't like the way that the boss is working, the solution is not to try and replace him with a swivel-eyed gibbering loon.
The UK thrives in the centre ground. Reform is not it. Reform has captured a swathe of the uneducated sun readers and the old age pensioners, traditional stalwarts of the Conservative Party. It has also taken all the failed Tory Politicians.

If a party is to win, it just needs to be moderate and sensible. That's where the power is. No-one wants Chairman Mao or Adolf Hitler. A John Major will do.

Have you looked at who the US electorate chose? Are you sure things will be any different here?

 

[Pblakeney]

Have you looked at who the US electorate chose? Are you sure things will be any different here?

I fear not, and have stated as much, often. People want unicorns.

 

[Stevo 666]

The problem is that what people want, and wants actually good for them are two different things.
I just don’t see how a party of the worst rejects from the Tories can possibly succeed at governing.

I made no comment on the distinction. The difference often comes up: for example, it could explain why we now have a Labour government.

 

[Stevo 666]

If you don't like the way that the boss is working, the solution is not to try and replace him with a swivel-eyed gibbering loon.
The UK thrives in the centre ground. Reform is not it. Reform has captured a swathe of the uneducated sun readers and the old age pensioners, traditional stalwarts of the Conservative Party. It has also taken all the failed Tory Politicians.

If a party is to win, it just needs to be moderate and sensible. That's where the power is. No-one wants Chairman Mao or Adolf Hitler. A John Major will do.

You could apply very similar logic to Labour's current situation.

 

[Pross]

It may depend on whether Reform reckon they can take down Labour alone when the time comes. In the end, it's better to get shot of Labour like I said and the right of centre parties will hopefully realise this.

Anyhow, Labour have also been accused of taking in the populists at their own game. Maybe some of this is being driven by what they see as a chunk of the electorate wanting?

Do you really, genuinely believe that Reform will do a better job than Labour? I’m more than happy to admit that having voted Labour for the first time at the last election I’m disappointed with the performance to date. This is mainly down to their failure to follow their own path and constantly try to compete with Reform on their own territory which, as we’re seeing, even the Tories are failing with. However, I have no doubt that a Reform government would be a complete disaster both financially and for society.

We are already seeing how hard it is to get back on track once infrastructure and services break from lack of investment, whoever comes after Reform is going to have a near impossible task to fix the damage.

 

[BoldonLad]

If you don't like the way that the boss is working, the solution is not to try and replace him with a swivel-eyed gibbering loon.
The UK thrives in the centre ground. Reform is not it. Reform has captured a swathe of the uneducated sun readers and the old age pensioners, traditional stalwarts of the Conservative Party. It has also taken all the failed Tory Politicians.

If a party is to win, it just needs to be moderate and sensible. That's where the power is. No-one wants Chairman Mao or Adolf Hitler. A John Major will do.

Which party is “moderate and sensible”?

 

[Pinno718]

Fagash is a mini Trump. He has licked Trump's bottom at every opportunity. If Stevo cannot see his links to the Christian Nationalists and what comes with that, then his arguments loose all credibility. Trump is the most corrupt individual to walk this planet. Anyone who looks up to or wants to associate themselves with Trump is morally impoverished.

Musk has funded far right groups all across Europe. Fagash and his cronies are probably in receipt of far right ideological funding. Fagash recently went to the US and became a Christian. No, no coincidence there.
Fagash wants to pull Britain out of international humanitarian rules. Why? We know the answer but if it isn't obvious to Stevo, then he's either thick or simply trolling or worse, he endorses such a move. Maybe Stevo a closet xenophobe. That single proposal which is openly stated by Fagash, should be enough to rule him out of any consideration of forming a govt.. Never mind all the other sh*t, hypocricy and fascistic tendencies.
Stevo is the articulate CRXandy MAGA bloke. Don't get drawn in.

Do not forget "I am going to wind lefties up". He's said it multiple times. It's telling.

 

[Pinno718]

Which party is “moderate and sensible”?

Does that help?
Is that statement a resignation? Oh well, they're all unstable and who cares if Fagash becomes PM?

 

[Pblakeney]

Does that help?
Is that statement a resignation? Oh well, they're all unstable and who cares if Fagash becomes PM?

Some are more unstable than others.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Do you really, genuinely believe that Reform will do a better job than Labour? I’m more than happy to admit that having voted Labour for the first time at the last election I’m disappointed with the performance to date. This is mainly down to their failure to follow their own path and constantly try to compete with Reform on their own territory which, as we’re seeing, even the Tories are failing with. However, I have no doubt that a Reform government would be a complete disaster both financially and for society.

We are already seeing how hard it is to get back on track once infrastructure and services break from lack of investment, whoever comes after Reform is going to have a near impossible task to fix the damage.

Then we have a unique choice, do we want incompetents that don’t want Britain to fail, or incompetents that do want Britain to fail.
I’ll give you a clue, Refuk is the latter. They trade on nostalgia for a UK that never existed, and aim to make sure it never does.

 

[Pross]

Which party is “moderate and sensible”?

Lib Dems