Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[Pinno718]

kipper1
/ˈkɪpə/

noun

1. 1.
   a kippered fish, especially a herring.
   
   
2. 2.
   a male salmon in the spawning season.
   
   
3. A spinless, gutless, skinless individual belonging to the political party 'Reform UK'
   

verb

 

[craigwend]

 

[Beebo]

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The best thing is that her husband left Reform last year because he was angry about this, but has now rejoined too.

 

[briantrumpet]

Agreed, we're not unique in facing enormous problems with funding health services for an ageing population. However the NHS isn't delivering particularly well for us despite the enormous costs. Unfortunately we can't have a sane conversation about it in this country without someone from the Labour Party scaremongering about what the alternatives would entail.

Since it's in this thread, I just stumbled on this. Obviously pre Tory election victory, and the Brexit which was going to put an extra £350m a week into the NHS, but maybe this helps explain why people still believe in what the NHS could be... and was.

 

[briantrumpet]

An interesting observation, not least as that means that the sort of people who voted for them now have no-one who can represent their views.

 

[icowden]

An interesting observation, not least as that means that the sort of people who voted for them now have no-one who can represent their views.

To be fair, we are mostly looking at the Lib Dems or Greens.

 

[briantrumpet]

To be fair, we are mostly looking at the Lib Dems or Greens.

Those Tories won't be a good match for the Greens, even if they see them as the 'least worst' (which seems unlikely); Lib Dems, maybe, but it still isn't a good match, and that's JoB's reasonable point. Meanwhile, Badenoch has signalled her intention to deliberately vacate the space that housed the likes of Clarke & Heseltine, and cohabit in Reform's foreign-funded apartment.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Those Tories won't be a good match for the Greens, even if they see them as the 'least worst' (which seems unlikely); Lib Dems, maybe, but it still isn't a good match, and that's JoB's reasonable point. Meanwhile, Badenoch has signalled her intention to deliberately vacate the space that housed the likes of Clarke & Heseltine, and cohabit in Reform's foreign-funded apartment.

She is weirdly trying to make the Tories a small exclusive club.
Can someone explain how democracy works to her.

 

[BoldonLad]

An interesting observation, not least as that means that the sort of people who voted for them now have no-one who can represent their views.

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Perhaps not true at a National Level, but, at a Local level (ie Councils) even the Candidates appear to have "morphed" to an electable Party. In the Constituency adjacent (one of the more affluent in South Tyneside), we have three "Green" Councillors, but, when interacting with them, they are far from "Green", and, more typically what I would expect from Conservatives.

To be fair, I think this sort of behaviour has been well established in this area, until very recently, if you wished to be a Councillor in. South Tyneside, then, absolutely zero chance as a Conservative, so, the sensible thing to do was to. stand as something else, ideally Labour, but, if you could not stomach that, then Independent, Green, Lib-Dem, now, Reform.

 

[briantrumpet]

Perhaps not true at a National Level, but, at a Local level (ie Councils) even the Candidates appear to have "morphed" to an electable Party. In the Constituency adjacent (one of the more affluent in South Tyneside), we have three "Green" Councillors, but, when interacting with them, they are far from "Green", and, more typically what I would expect from Conservatives.

To be fair, I think this sort of behaviour has been well established in this area, until very recently, if you wished to be a Councillor in. South Tyneside, then, absolutely zero chance as a Conservative, so, the sensible thing to do was to. stand as something else, ideally Labour, but, if you could not stomach that, then Independent, Green, Lib-Dem, now, Reform.

It's a curious disconnect, when local councillors aren't toeing the national party's line. I suspect that the same is true of local Tory councillors too.

 

[BoldonLad]

It's a curious disconnect, when local councillors aren't toeing the national party's line. I suspect that the same is true of local Tory councillors too.

Indeed. Even at MP level, we have the Labour MP for the adjacent Constituency (who was always a "yes" woman) breaking ranks and disagreeing with the Government (in Facebook posts), although I doubt she has the bottle to do it for real. All this, because she has Reform definitely snapping at her heels.

 

[briantrumpet]

She is weirdly trying to make the Tories a small exclusive club.
Can someone explain how democracy works to her.

I realise it's a rhetorical question, but can you imagine trying to explain anything to someone who is *always* the smartest person in the room?

 

[First Aspect]

I realise it's a rhetorical question, but can you imagine trying to explain anything to someone who is *always* the smartest person in the room?

Give it a try. I'm all ears.

 

[briantrumpet]

Give it a try. I'm all ears.

As I can see from your profile photo.

Soup for lunch?

 

[First Aspect]

As I can see from your profile photo.

Soup for lunch?

More of a blue string pudding person tbh.

I assume you approve of music trees?