Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[briantrumpet]

Isn’t the life cycle of a soup dragon remarkable bonkers

I might just vote for a soup dragon, were one to stand in my constituency, as I think a manifesto of Soup For All would be better and more deliverable that anyone else's.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Sounds like the sort of statement that means in a few months she’ll join Reform and be welcomed with open arms.

Seriously though, was she always insane or did being PM, having blagged her way to being a senior politician with no actual ability, completely break her?

I think she was always barmy. I said this on BR, but years ago she was invited to an event for a project which the charity I worked for was a part of. I didn't go but a colleague did and said Truss (an unknown junior minister at the time) seemed "completely mental" in his words.

 

[icowden]

This just in from Papua New Guinea on Reform's limescale problem:

 

[briantrumpet]

This just in from Papua New Guinea on Reform's limescale problem:
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Thanks. One of his best, as it's so accurate.

 

[briantrumpet]

Kent C(o)unty Council and Reform. A ballroom next, maybe?

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Kent C(o)unty Council and Reform. A ballroom next, maybe?

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Ah yes, Kent County Council which is over half a billion in debt and planning to raise Council Tax to above inflation levels. I suspect all those that voted in a Reform Council that promised to cut wasteful spending are delighted.

 

[briantrumpet]

Ah yes, Kent County Council which is over half a billion in debt and planning to raise Council Tax to above inflation levels. I suspect all those that voted in a Reform Council that promised to cut wasteful spending are delighted.

Even if one isn't allowed to call them stupid for voting them in in the first place, if they vote them in again, I shan't hesitate.

John Harris did one of his articles on how the electorate of a run-down ward (Gorton & Denton this time) are feeling a "long-festering sense of fury", but I really do wonder how long they will go on translating that into "so I'm going to vote Reform", as Harris suggests they are at the moment.

Their previous answer to their (encouraged) fury (not without some basis, to be fair, given the inequality they witness) was to vote for Brexit, which has made them even poorer. I'm sure it's really hard in such circumstances not to vote for the snake oil salesman's pitch who promises to cure all their ills, but all Reform does is stoke the fury in order to try to gain power, at which point they will make the poor even poorer still, by stifling easy international trade, giving tax cuts to the already wealthy, and making them pay for healthcare.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...bour-gorton-and-denton-byelection-reform-fury

 

[icowden]

John Harris did one of his articles on how the electorate of a run-down ward (Gorton & Denton this time) are feeling a "long-festering sense of fury", but I really do wonder how long they will go on translating that into "so I'm going to vote Reform", as Harris suggests they are at the moment.

FYI - Greens are now the favourites with the bookies to win Gorton I believe.

 

[briantrumpet]

FYI - Greens are now the favourites with the bookies to win Gorton I believe.

I'm paying little (or no) attention to bookies or pollsters at this point.

 

[BoldonLad]

Kent C(o)unty Council and Reform. A ballroom next, maybe?

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I wonder who the car park belongs to 8 spaces for £600k, that is £75,000 per space, presumably, per annum.

My brother lives in Kent, and, pays his Council tax to the. Council in question, he tells me this story is not exactly factual.

But, if it is true, I think I shall be buying some shoes in the Company which owns the car-park (when I find out who they are). 😊

 

[First Aspect]

I wonder who the car park belongs to 8 spaces for £600k, that is £75,000 per space, presumably, per annum.

My brother lives in Kent, and, pays his Council tax to the. Council in question, he tells me this story is not exactly factual.

But, if it is true, I think I shall be buying some shoes in the Company which owns the car-park (when I find out who they are). 😊

What sort of shoes?

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

What sort of shoes?

(B)rogues*

* Best I could come up with!

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Even if one isn't allowed to call them stupid for voting them in in the first place, if they vote them in again, I shan't hesitate.

John Harris did one of his articles on how the electorate of a run-down ward (Gorton & Denton this time) are feeling a "long-festering sense of fury", but I really do wonder how long they will go on translating that into "so I'm going to vote Reform", as Harris suggests they are at the moment.

Their previous answer to their (encouraged) fury (not without some basis, to be fair, given the inequality they witness) was to vote for Brexit, which has made them even poorer. I'm sure it's really hard in such circumstances not to vote for the snake oil salesman's pitch who promises to cure all their ills, but all Reform does is stoke the fury in order to try to gain power, at which point they will make the poor even poorer still, by stifling easy international trade, giving tax cuts to the already wealthy, and making them pay for healthcare.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...bour-gorton-and-denton-byelection-reform-fury

This is my issue now, we are well beyond the realms of a protest vote. If you are still voting Reform at this point you are doing so out of choice and because you agree with what they are pushing policy wise, in my opinion (which is their democratic right, of course). I think the argument of don't criticise Reform voters because they are just voting for a change has sailed really. If you are now choosing to put people in charge who have no proven track record of governing at any level, and you end up getting shafted, then that really is on you.

 

[icowden]

I'm paying little (or no) attention to bookies or pollsters at this point.

I'm always a bit more inclined to pay attention to bookies as they have a financial interest in getting the right result...

 

[Psamathe]

I'm always a bit more inclined to pay attention to bookies as they have a financial interest in getting the right result...

I don't really understand gambling/bookies but I had the (maybe incorrect) impression that their odds are based on who is placing bets which way. ie to hedge their bets whatever the outcome.

So, if my understanding is correct are they more than a type of poll across those who gamble on such things ... a very specific sector of the population?

Or maybe I don't appreciate how bookies set odds (quite possible).