Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[C R]

I did indeed re Mandelson. But it would be healthy to remind people of Farage's misdemeanours too. Glasshouses and all that.

Of course, what I mean is that Farage asking for an investigation when one is already ongoing is just vacuous grandstanding.

 

[briantrumpet]

Of course, what I mean is that Farage asking for an investigation when one is already ongoing is just wildly hypocritical grandstanding.

As they say, 'FTFY'.

 

[C R]

As they say, 'FTFY'.

Hypocrisy can be vacuous too.

 

[Pblakeney]

Howzabout "the manifestos *and* governments" we deserve?

Though even I'm not sure if we deserved both Johnson *and* Truss. If we'd skipped from May to Sunak, maybe the Tory Party (and the UK) wouldn't be in such dire straits now.

True.
Key point there is that the electorate did not have a say on Truss.

 

[briantrumpet]

True.
Key point there is that the electorate did not have a say on Truss.

A pity, as that could have been quite funny.

 

[Psamathe]

True.
Key point there is that the electorate did not have a say on Truss.

A pity, as that could have been quite funny.

Which for me highlights a major failing of our political/electoral system.

Most of the country never gets any say/vote as to who is PM. Massively powerful position and vast majority have no vote.

Some say our vote for our constituency representative is often treated as a vote for a party rather than an individual representative, then when an MP changes Party and thus is their vote becomes determined by a different leader/whips then there should be an obligatory bye election.

Politicians treat our votes a delegating which it absolutely is not.

 

[Pblakeney]

Which for me highlights a major failing of our political/electoral system.

Most of the country never gets any say/vote as to who is PM. Massively powerful position and vast majority have no vote.

Some say our vote for our constituency representative is often treated as a vote for a party rather than an individual representative, then when an MP changes Party and thus is their vote becomes determined by a different leader/whips then there should be an obligatory bye election.

Politicians treat our votes a delegating which it absolutely is not.

That is a true anomaly in our system.
Agreed, if any MP wants to switch parties then there should be an automatic by-election.