BoldonLad
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Yes, given the extensive coverage of how .”cliff edge” it is, I did wonder if turnout would be up from the usual dismal levels.
Reform, and the death of the Tory Party
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Yes, given the extensive coverage of how .”cliff edge” it is, I did wonder if turnout would be up from the usual dismal levels.
Psamathe
Legendary Member
I'm increasingly coming to the view that the best answer to "none of the above" is "no overall control", coalition or just "confidence & supply".
During the last Conservative/Lib Dem coalition I was pretty angered at what the Lib Dems were allowing to happen. But the following Gov. where the Conservatives won an outright majority changed my views as I then appreciated how much the Lib Dems had managed to moderate the Conservatives.
Coalition or just "confidence & supply" might become a disaster but maybe less of a disaster than any of the current offerings getting control?
Pross
Veteran
It feels like a pretty convoluted alternative and no used in many other countries (where the system is used they don’t usually have closed lists for each Party).
Psamathe
Legendary Member
I've not looked at the system atall (not affected and not voting under it.
But what are that potential impacts of voters not understanding it. Guessing but somebody voting along party lines is putting they "X"s against the party of their choice whatever the underlying counting scheme. Is understanding the system going to change how they vote? They might be a bit surprised at getting more voting slips than expected but holding multiple elections at same time is not that unusual (where you get multiple voting slips.
I can see people getting confused as to who their elected representative is but that's probably long after they cast their vote.
I have has occasion where proportional representation has been very useful. When living in France I have an issue needing to be taken up by an MEP and I had several different party MEPs available (thanks to PR/Mr D'Hondt) - Conservative I contacted showed no interest, etc. and it was when I got to my Labour MEP and he took an interest and started pursuing things.
Pross
Veteran
I don’t think it will affect how they vote much but I think a lot will be surprised to find they have 6 Senedd Members in their constituency representing several (3 or 4 probably) Parties. 96 is far too many representatives too (there are currently 60 which seems ample).
TailWindHome
Über Member
So it's a single vote, x against the party then seats allocated using d'hondt?
Does that not remove the need to coalesce around a party?
Just vote your preference.
Does that not remove the need to coalesce around a party?
Just vote your preference.
Pross
Veteran
That’s the theory but the Lib Dem’s are unlikely to get a seat. The votes are likely to be split between Reform, Labour, Plaid and the Tories (the Greens want people to believe they’ve got a shout too, I’m not convinced), There’s a risk of Reform getting 3 seats apparently but I’m struggling to find any polling information for individual constituencies.
midlandsgrimpeur
Senior Member
Been thinking about the 'gift' the last few days. I am growing more confident that this is the first stage in a big push for crypto currency. Have been watching a lot of Ben McKenzie videos, he is an actor and economics commentator who has been instrumental in exposing crypto as a massive scam. McKenzie shoeed how Trump was anti crypto years ago and is now pushing it as he has made a fortune from it (after being courted by various crypto currency figures). Harborne obviously has the same intention for the UK, legitimise crypto currencies at the expense of sterling so he can make more billions.
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briantrumpet
Timewaster
The whole crypto thing seems to be a way of evading, well, just about everything, as well as making a fortune for certain people. Perfect way to destroy nation states as we've known them.
In other words, nothing to worry about.
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briantrumpet
Timewaster
It'll be forgotten by tomorrow, along with the extensive list of other things he's done, one of which would have been enough to sink a Tory or Labour MP. It's mystifying that none of the major outlets seems to want claim his scalp as a dishonest grifter who has no interest in the UK other than a way to get rich and destabilise the world. Given that his 'affable geezer' mask slips the moment he's challenged robustly, and the amount of evidence that's accrued already, he'd be such a fun quarry to pursue relentlessly.
Dorset Boy
Senior Member
Crypto - the answer to nothing legal or legitimate.
Finances terrorism and organised crime
Finances terrorism and organised crime
midlandsgrimpeur
Senior Member
TailWindHome
Über Member
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briantrumpet
Timewaster
That's next-level nimbyism from Reform.
They've also announced a 'voucher scheme' for the NHS, which is clearly intended to break the NHS as soon as possible. Thing is, it doesn't have to work as intended, as unintended chaos does the same job, and the chorus of 'only privatisation can save it' would be inevitable.
But hey, Farage is great for the media, so let's not scrutinise him.
