Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[Ian H]

I can't remember if someone posted this already, but didn't the Guardian do a piece showing that nearly half of those arrested during last years riots have a conviction, or had been arrested for domestic abuse? The actual offenders we should be worried about being busy putting up flags doesn't sound too far off the mark!

It's mentioned in the full article linked above with a link: https://www.theguardian.com/society...uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse.

 

[Xipe Totec]

I can't remember if someone posted this already, but didn't the Guardian do a piece showing that nearly half of those arrested during last years riots have a conviction, or had been arrested for domestic abuse? The actual offenders we should be worried about being busy putting up flags doesn't sound too far off the mark!

It was 40% of them, if I remember. And I suppose we should pause to consider how many abusers do not get arrested, never mind convicted.

Hence, funny/not funny.

 

[BoldonLad]

Prominent women including cultural figures, politicians and campaigners have signed a letter criticising rightwing attempts to link sexual violence in Britain to asylum seekers...
The open letter, titled Women Against the Far Right, follows a surge in protests outside accommodation housing asylum seekers and far-right attempts to exploit a number of cases of alleged sexual crimes involving asylum seekers.

“There is no evidence that people seeking refuge are more likely to commit acts of sexual violence. Many are themselves survivors of violence, war, and persecution. Blaming them distracts from tackling the deep-rooted causes of abuse and from holding those truly responsible to account.”

The letter accuses the far right of seizing on lies and spreading misinformation to mobilise protests outside hotels housing refugees – including women and children – in a move which, the letter says, does nothing to make women safer.

It references a Guardian report that found two in five of those arrested in last year’s far-right riots had been reported to the police for domestic abuse.

“The truth is that sexual violence is endemic across society and far too often ignored by those in power,” the letter adds. “Public services for women, children, victims and survivors have been cut to the bone, and too many cases are left without justice.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

On the BBC News, yesterday, Camilla was giving a speech (OK, promoting her book), in which she claimed that 1 in 4 women in UK, had been the victim of sexual assault, I believe the statistics for Domestic Abuse (against women) are similar. This would suggest to me that any random selection of men, in UK, would include a reasonably high percentage of abusers. Not an edifying thought.

 

[Dorset Boy]

On the BBC News, yesterday, Camilla was giving a speech (OK, promoting her book), in which she claimed that 1 in 4 women in UK, had been the victim of sexual assault, I believe the statistics for Domestic Abuse (against women) are similar. This would suggest to me that any random selection of men, in UK, would include a reasonably high percentage of abusers. Not an edifying thought.

Agree, it's a disgrace.

 

[First Aspect]

I'm sure this came up on More or Less, and it is 1 in 4 women have experienced this during their lifetime, and about 1 in 7 men. Per annum it is more like 13 and 9% respectively (this from the British crime survey, which is not the same as reported offenses).

Then you need to look into further detail at the definitions of domestic abuse, sexual assault and stalking to gauge how shocking that is.

 

[First Aspect]

On the BBC News, yesterday, Camilla was giving a speech (OK, promoting her book), in which she claimed that 1 in 4 women in UK, had been the victim of sexual assault, I believe the statistics for Domestic Abuse (against women) are similar. This would suggest to me that any random selection of men, in UK, would include a reasonably high percentage of abusers. Not an edifying thought.

I read this more carefully, and it's incorrect (if this is what she said) because the 1 in 4 figure is the total of domestic abuse (which can include assault, coercive control, physical or financial control etc), sexual assault (which will include Greg Wallace level 1970s handsyness, right up to rape) and stalking.

Not to down play any of the issues surrounding these issues, but it isn't helpful to over simply the statistics to emphasise a point.

 

[BoldonLad]

I read this more carefully, and it's incorrect (if this is what she said) because the 1 in 4 figure is the total of domestic abuse (which can include assault, coercive control, physical or financial control etc), sexual assault (which will include Greg Wallace level 1970s handsyness, right up to rape) and stalking.

Not to down play any of the issues surrounding these issues, but it isn't helpful to over simply the statistics to emphasise a point.

Actually, as I indicated, I think Camilla was promoting her book, but, I agree with your point 😊

 

[spen666]

Does it matter if the Tory party dies, same as if Labour dies, another party will come along and fill the vacuum.

If Tory party dies, it does not mean there is no centre right politics - same if Labour cease to exist, it does not mean there is no centre left politics.
After every election defeat we have media portraying the death of the losing party - its quite laughable. After last Tory win it was Labour who were dead and would never be in power again, fast forward to next election and Labour have a huge majority

 

[Rusty Nails]

Does it matter if the Tory party dies, same as if Labour dies, another party will come along and fill the vacuum.

If Tory party dies, it does not mean there is no centre right politics - same if Labour cease to exist, it does not mean there is no centre left politics.
After every election defeat we have media portraying the death of the losing party - its quite laughable. After last Tory win it was Labour who were dead and would never be in power again, fast forward to next election and Labour have a huge majority

For once I agree with you, especially if it helps get rid of the historical duopoly/closed shop that polarises our politics.

 

[First Aspect]

Does it matter if the Tory party dies, same as if Labour dies, another party will come along and fill the vacuum.

If Tory party dies, it does not mean there is no centre right politics - same if Labour cease to exist, it does not mean there is no centre left politics.
After every election defeat we have media portraying the death of the losing party - its quite laughable. After last Tory win it was Labour who were dead and would never be in power again, fast forward to next election and Labour have a huge majority

The concern in have is that temporarily there will be no significant centre right party. The void is being filled with populism, which is a series of unwirkable simple solutions to complex problems, underpinned with bare faced lies. That's bad.

 

[Xipe Totec]

For once I agree with you, especially if it helps get rid of the historical duopoly/closed shop that polarises our politics.

Some wild & crazy innovation like a representative electoral system would do that overnight.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Some wild & crazy innovation like a representative electoral system would do that overnight.

While there is this duopoly that will not happen.

Chicken and egg.