Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[CXRAndy]

At least it will be a new disappointment

 

[Beebo]

How long until the Lib Dem’s become the formal opposition?

She isn’t a sitting MP.
It really isn’t that important but the constant drip drip is going to affect the Conservatives.
But it does show that Reform is just a dumping ground for failed former Tory MPs.
You would think there would be a huge hole for a sensible centrist party to exploit. The Lib Dem’s do need to up their game.

 

[CXRAndy]

Not with their hobbyhorse leader

 

[BoldonLad]

Dunno. There's talk of a plan for Andy Burnham to resign and stand for election in a safe seat so he can throw his hat in the ring. Trouble is there's no such thing as a safe seat these days and he might not win. Frankly I don't really care who leads the party. There's a fundamental realignment going on in politics because voters are fed up of being lied to by useless, hypocritical politicians who can't even deliver the most basic of services but can still feather their own nests and live high on the hog at our expense. I'm still of the opinion that some sort of financial crisis will take hold and force Labour to go to the country before the next election, be it because the bond markets stop lending and they can't finance daily spending or there's a run on the pound and Sterling collapses. That might not happen of course but that just leaves them limping towards the next election with nothing to show for their 5 years in office but the highest taxes and the worst public services in peacetime. I mean it's just possible that a new leader can turn it all around but only in the same way that it's possible that Jeremy Clarkson could become leader of the Green Party.

Yes, I have seen the Andy Burnham rumour/speculation. It further makes the point I was hinting at, there are no "impressive" figures to step into the breech, within the existing set of Ministers, MPs. Historically, you might expect the Chancellor, or Home Secretary or Foreign Secretary to have enough "gravitas" and competence to step up, but, Reeves, or Cooper?, I don't think so, not sure about Mahmood?

Sadly, to me it is looking like Reform may fill the vacuum. Personally, I don't want that because:

1. I think they are bunch of charlatans, dangerous, and, generally useless.
2. I have £100 riding on Nigel NOT being PM after the next GE.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Not sure about the Burnham rumours, are they a Telegraph concoction?

He famously doesn’t like the Westminster setup.

 

[BoldonLad]

Pretty sure Labour have not been in power for 38 months.
This stat suggests the issue is a systematic economic issue rather than a party political one

Isn't it possible for both to be true? ie a systematic economic issue, with the wrong "solutions" being applied (by one or more parties).

 

[CXRAndy]

Yes, I have seen the Andy Burnham rumour/speculation. It further makes the point I was hinting at, there are no "impressive" figures to step into the breech, within the existing set of Ministers, MPs. Historically, you might expect the Chancellor, or Home Secretary or Foreign Secretary to have enough "gravitas" and competence to step up, but, Reeves, or Cooper?, I don't think so, not sure about Mahmood?

Sadly, to me it is looking like Reform may fill the vacuum. Personally, I don't want that because:

1. I think they are bunch of charlatans, dangerous, and, generally useless.
2. I have £100 riding on Nigel NOT being PM after the next GE.

Ah,I see, you believe Nigel Farage will be gone before reform win the election 😉

 

[BoldonLad]

Ah,I see, you believe Nigel Farage will be gone before reform win the election 😉

The wording of the bet was "Nigel Farage will be Prime Minister after next General Election", my money is on "No".

 

[Shortfall]

1. I think they are bunch of charlatans, dangerous, and, generally useless.
2. I have £100 riding on Nigel NOT being PM after the next GE.

See also Labour, Conservatives, Lib Dems and Greens.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Yes, but her policies were to create growth, done nothing to stem this issue

Weren’t the Tories’ policies to create growth in the two last years of their government?

I am not saying Reeves, or Starmer, have been effective, but the rot didn’t start a year ago.

 

[BoldonLad]

See also Labour, Conservatives, Lib Dems and Greens.

True, at present, if there was a General Election, I think I would have to break the habit of an (adult) lifetime and not vote.

 

[BoldonLad]

Weren’t the Tories’ policies to create growth in the two last years of their government?

I am not saying Reeves, or Starmer, have been effective, but the rot didn’t start a year ago.

very true

 

[CXRAndy]

Weren’t the Tories’ policies to create growth in the two last years of their government?

I am not saying Reeves, or Starmer, have been effective, but the rot didn’t start a year ago.

They were and the tories weren't much better than reeves.

Rachel jumped in with both feet.....

 

[All uphill]

I think we are seeing the inevitable consequences of a country becoming poorer. Widespread disillusion and politicians being required to make promises they can't keep.

Certainly this is made worse by our removal from the EU, the triple lock on pensions giving more wealth to unproductive oldies (like me) and the amplification effect of social media.

We're all doomed!

 

[Stevo 666]

You would think there would be a huge hole for a sensible centrist party to exploit. The Lib Dem’s do need to up their game.

All they need is a lot of centrist voters, but that's where I think the problem lies.