Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[briantrumpet]

Problem is the infrastructure of the country is falling apart and needs investment. Austerity (which I still think was needed) allowed things to deteriorate and when we were starting to get some economic growth everything stalled while the only thing on the government’s order of business was ‘getting Brexit done’. Not even considering whether leaving the EU has been an economic disaster the 2 or 3 years of total inertia it created in running the country didn’t help anything.

Sshh. Not allowed to mention the B word, as it's too late to do anything about it, apparently.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Sshh. Not allowed to mention the B word, as it's too late to do anything about it, apparently.

The elephant in the room with its head in the sand.

 

[briantrumpet]

Gosh, Nigel, what could it be about those Nigerians, Pakistanis and Africans that makes you feel they should be deported? It's a mystery...

 

[Stevo 666]

Problem is the infrastructure of the country is falling apart and needs investment. Austerity (which I still think was needed) allowed things to deteriorate and when we were starting to get some economic growth everything stalled while the only thing on the government’s order of business was ‘getting Brexit done’. Not even considering whether leaving the EU has been an economic disaster the 2 or 3 years of total inertia it created in running the country didn’t help anything.

If that is the priority the I guess then they need to look at what they can reduce spending on so that they can put some money into fixing the potholes etc.

 

[Stevo 666]

Sshh. Not allowed to mention the B word, as it's too late to do anything about it, apparently.

They say that hope is the last thing to die 😉

 

[Pross]

If that is the priority the I guess then they need to look at what they can reduce spending on so that they can put some money into fixing the potholes etc.

I think we’re beyond the finding change down the back of the sofa stage. With the economy having flatlined for most of the last 15 years the only real option is to raise taxes. There’s not really any cost savings of the scale needed to fix things. Parties chucking around offers of tax cuts and simple solutions are just being wilfully deceitful of the realities.

 

[Stevo 666]

I think we’re beyond the finding change down the back of the sofa stage. With the economy having flatlined for most of the last 15 years the only real option is to raise taxes. There’s not really any cost savings of the scale needed to fix things. Parties chucking around offers of tax cuts and simple solutions are just being wilfully deceitful of the realities.

That's not the only real option as I mentioned above...

 

[Pross]

That's not the only real option as I mentioned above...

So just let the country fall into rack and ruin through lack of spending?

 

[Ian H]

So just let the country fall into rack and ruin through lack of spending?

If the economy shrinks through lack of investment, the current borrowing effectively becomes more expensive.

 

[briantrumpet]

If the economy shrinks through lack of investment, the current borrowing effectively becomes more expensive.

Yebbut just chuck in some tax cuts for the already-well-off, and they can turn their heating up and will be happy.

 

[Stevo 666]

So just let the country fall into rack and ruin through lack of spending?

No, repriortise spending. Unless of course you can demonstrate that every bit of current public spending absolutely essential to prevent ruin.

 

[Pross]

No, repriortise spending. Unless of course you can demonstrate that every bit of current public spending absolutely essential to prevent ruin.

So what bits of spending should we be taking away? It’s not like these issues have suddenly appeared in the last 14 months is it?

 

[briantrumpet]

So what bits of spending should we be taking away? It’s not like these issues have suddenly appeared in the last 14 months is it?

Looks like we won't get a refund from Tory peer, Baroness Mone to help pay the bills. Poor things, must really be on their uppers.

 

[CXRAndy]

Labour say if you claim benefits and are a migrant=deported

 

[Stevo 666]

So what bits of spending should we be taking away? It’s not like these issues have suddenly appeared in the last 14 months is it?

How about those that Labour tried and failed to reduce for starters?