Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[Rusty Nails]

The claim in the post that I replied to was that we did not count how many left.

Some years ago I did some work with the ONS. The ONS has been carrying out large surveys of international passengers, both in and out, for many years. From their website:

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“1.Introduction​

The International Passenger Survey (IPS) collects information about passengers entering and leaving the UK, and has been running continuously since 1961. The IPS conducts between 700,000 and 800,000 interviews a year, of which over 250,000 are used to produce estimates of overseas travel and tourism. The study results are used by various government departments, including the Office for National Statistics (ONS), the Department for Transport, the Home Office, HM Revenue and Customs, VisitBritain and the national and regional Tourist Boards.”

This is as good as you are going to get in a free country where people are not required to report all their movements to the authorities.
As I said earlier a mixture of surveys and estimates, which is not quite the same as not knowing the numbers.

 

[BoldonLad]

Some years ago I did some work with the ONS. The ONS has been carrying out large surveys of international passengers, both in and out, for many years. From their website:

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“1.Introduction​

The International Passenger Survey (IPS) collects information about passengers entering and leaving the UK, and has been running continuously since 1961. The IPS conducts between 700,000 and 800,000 interviews a year, of which over 250,000 are used to produce estimates of overseas travel and tourism. The study results are used by various government departments, including the Office for National Statistics (ONS), the Department for Transport, the Home Office, HM Revenue and Customs, VisitBritain and the national and regional Tourist Boards.”

This is as good as you are going to get in a free country where people are not required to report all their movements to the authorities.
As I said earlier a mixture of surveys and estimates, which is not quite the same as not knowing the numbers.

I agree, "as good as you are going to get" but, that may or may not be accurate.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I agree, "as good as you are going to get" but, that may or may not be accurate.

Define ‘accurate’ as far as migration statistics are concerned.

Does it have to be 100% accurate to meet your definition or will some lower figure suffice for the purposes of effective management and control of migration?

To get 100% accuracy of numbers in and out will require a level of government control and bureaucracy that I would not like to live under.

 

[BoldonLad]

Define ‘accurate’ as far as migration statistics are concerned.

Does it have to be 100% accurate to meet your definition or will some lower figure suffice for the purposes of effective management and control of migration?

To get 100% accuracy of numbers in and out will require a level of government control and bureaucracy that I would not like to live under.

Good enough for Jack, As Good as it Gets 😊

 

[Rusty Nails]

Good enough for Jack, As Good as it Gets 😊

But is the fact that the figures will never be 100% accurate good enough for you?

 

[BoldonLad]

But is the fact that the figures will never be 100% accurate good enough for you?

Does it matter, I doubt the Government are going to change anything just for little old me.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Does it matter, I doubt the Government are going to change anything just for little old me.

It matters a lot if many people are of a similar view and cannot accept anything less than 100% as accurate.

It might blow your mind, but governments across the world have been making decisions based on interpretation of a mix of estimates and known figures for centuries. During WW2 the allied invasion of Europe was based on interpretations of best estimates and known facts/figures.

The government cannot change it.

I suspect even Jack would be happy.

 

[BoldonLad]

It matters a lot if many people are of a similar view and cannot accept anything less than 100% as accurate.

It might blow your mind, but governments across the world have been making decisions based on interpretation of a mix of estimates and known figures for centuries. During WW2 the allied invasion of Europe was based on interpretations of best estimates and known facts/figures.

The government cannot change it.

I suspect even Jack would be happy.

Yes, I get that, but, given the results, that is not exactly a 5* review, although, there may have been some happy customers over the centuries.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Yes, I get that, but, given the results, that is not exactly a 5* review, although, there may have been some happy customers over the centuries.

I am not about to give any government a 5* review. Governments have made good decisions and bad, imo, based on the information available and their ideological stance, irrespective of whether they have 80% or 90% accuracy or even 100% accuracy.

 

[briantrumpet]

 

[Rusty Nails]

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Be fair, I’ve read your waffling on about crochets and quavers for pages, you could give us a couple of posts more before showing your boredom.

 

[briantrumpet]

Be fair, I’ve read your waffling on about crochets and quavers for pages, you could give us a couple of posts more before showing your boredom.

I could have said "Give it a rest".

 

[Rusty Nails]

I could have said "Give it a rest".

Wrong thread.

 

[briantrumpet]

Wrong thread.

No need to get crotchety.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

This thread is hanging on by a thread.... I'll get my coat.....