Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

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Pross

Well-Known Member
That was my thinking. I hope we are both right. I don’t like losing money, especially to my brother 😊

I'm not so sure anymore. They may well take votes from the Labour 'red wall' voters that flipped to Tory in 2019 as well as the disgruntled Tory supporters whilst Labour lose the more leftie votes to the likes of the Lib Dems, Greens and Nationalist parties. I'm becoming less and less confident that we won't have Farage as PM though as I've said before those is vote him in will go all Teflon when things get even worse in the country as a result.
 

Pblakeney

Über Member
I'm not so sure anymore. They may well take votes from the Labour 'red wall' voters that flipped to Tory in 2019 as well as the disgruntled Tory supporters whilst Labour lose the more leftie votes to the likes of the Lib Dems, Greens and Nationalist parties. I'm becoming less and less confident that we won't have Farage as PM though as I've said before those is vote him in will go all Teflon when things get even worse in the country as a result.

I remember similar level of discussion about Trump in the summer of 2024.
 

BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
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I'm not so sure anymore. They may well take votes from the Labour 'red wall' voters that flipped to Tory in 2019 as well as the disgruntled Tory supporters whilst Labour lose the more leftie votes to the likes of the Lib Dems, Greens and Nationalist parties. I'm becoming less and less confident that we won't have Farage as PM though as I've said before those is vote him in will go all Teflon when things get even worse in the country as a result.

Thank you for cheering me up 😂
 

AuroraSaab

Pharaoh
I'm not so sure anymore. They may well take votes from the Labour 'red wall' voters that flipped to Tory in 2019 as well as the disgruntled Tory supporters whilst Labour lose the more leftie votes to the likes of the Lib Dems, Greens and Nationalist parties.
I agree. Some Labour voters and Tories will hold their nose and vote Reform. Tories won't hold their nose and vote Labour. I don't think it will be enough to win an election. Will it be enough to hold the balance of power?
 

Psamathe

Veteran
Another aspect might be the BBC's attitude towards Reform. To date they've virtually been Reform/Faragê's PR department swamping the party with every opportunity to spread their message without any aspect of scrutiny. One must wonder how much this has helped the PArty to its current polling results.

Were the BBC's attitude to change, were they to start some scrutiny, some fact checking, etc. maybve that polling might change. And BBC has quite a few years to recognise their role and make "adjustments".
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
UKIP have rebranded in an effort to make themselves appeal further right than Reform and regain some relevance...

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AndyRM

Elder Goth
I didn't realise they were still about?

They've been putting all their efforts into creating that subtle beauty.
 

classic33

Missen
Kent County Council Reform cabinet come to the realisation that savings in government are nowhere near as easy to come by as rightists think it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...nfighting-at-reform-uks-flagship-kent-council
There's a bit of a fight going on between the two reform councillors. One reckons being voted in as a reform candidate beats crossing the floor to become the first reform councillor.
Needless to say the first in disagrees.

Old faces, seen 20-25 years ago are appearing in party photo's. Sorta shows who they're attracting.
 
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briantrumpet

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I wonder if the BBC will think to look into this, or will they pretend it's not news, and just unfortunate coincidence (again).

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/nigel-farage-partner-laure-ferrari-news-hd8hq7wdx

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Nigel Farage’s partner is embroiled in a criminal investigation involving allegations of fraud at a Eurosceptic group that she ran when they were both working in Brussels.
Laure Ferrari served as executive director of the Institute for Direct Democracy in Europe (IDDE), a think tank based in the Belgian capital, when auditors refused to sign off spending of hundreds of thousands of euros of public funds in 2016.

The European Commission anti-fraud unit spent years investigating the organisation, and an affiliated parliamentary group of which Ukip was the biggest party, before handing the case onto local law enforcement.

Chamber 69 of the Tribunal de première instance, a Brussels court specialising in financial crime, is due to make its judgment on November 5.
Ann Lukowiak, a spokeswoman for the federal prosecutor, confirmed it would be a “final judgement where appeal will be possible”. She would not say which individuals were under investigation, or what sanctions were being proposed, citing confidentiality.

Ferrari said the investigation was the result of a politically biased part of the European parliament and “fake” accusations leaked by a hostile MEP.
 
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