Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

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icowden

Shaman
What part of 'I'm not interested in whataboutery' don't you understand? Your defence of Labour seems to be 'but, but nasty Tories'. You need to justify why Labour aren't messing things up rather than trying to compare to a previous administration.

Again, I'm questioning your literacy. You keep saying that Labour are doing worse but failing to compare them to their predecessors. Then you accuse everyone else of whataboutery. You have to have a baseline to compare to, if you are going to assert that something is doing worse. If that baseline is not the previous Conservative Government then what is it?
 
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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

Pharaoh
Honesty? Eh, Laura K? Has she been taking Chris Mason's medication?

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The irony is that they rarely get proper scrutiny from the BBC. Russian connection? Nope. Who really paid for the Clacton house? Nope. etc.
 
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Dorset Boy

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The irony is that they rarely get proper scrutiny from the BBC. Russian connection? Nope. Who really paid for the Clacton house? Nope. etc.

Here's an idea Brian. Maybe actually watch the programme first?
I have no idea what is in it, but why keep pre-judging things from a snippit?
She may suck to to Fagash, she may not, she may be balanced. But until you have watched the programme for yourself, you just won't really know.
That said, there's probably some editorial control from Fagash or the show wouldn't get made. That's normal for this sort of thing though.
 

Shortfall

Active Member
Again, I'm questioning your literacy. You keep saying that Labour are doing worse but failing to compare them to their predecessors. Then you accuse everyone else of whataboutery. You have to have a baseline to compare to, if you are going to assert that something is doing worse. If that baseline is not the previous Conservative Government then what is it?

Maybe compare them with what they put in their own manifesto then?
 

monkers

Shaman
Maybe compare them with what they put in their own manifesto then?

David Cameron put an ultimatum before the EU Council which he thought he might win and fend off Major's remaining 'bastards'.
However he also thought losing a clever strategy so he could call a referendum and get the public to finish them off.

However he told the public if we lose that the public would decide without parliamentary permission. Sovereignty bleaters convinced themselves this was democratic.

He then got a letter from Tusk saying he'd pretty much won.

However he told the public that he hadn't won what he had.

Then he held a referendum that he thought he could win. However he didn't.

He won a general election that he didn't expect to win. However he did, so he promptly resigned.

Theresa May had not agreed to any of this. However she decided it sensible to replace David Cameron and honour his pledges - you know the ones that he thought he couldn't. However the Supreme Court did not agree with said pledges and sovereignty bleaters were disappointed to learn that parliament was allowed to be sovereign after all.

Theresa May and the EU were both accused of blocking without the perception of the public that the process stalled because both sides agreed with the red lines. The Brexit favouring media told us otherwise. However it was decided by Tories that they needed a person who would find a way to turn agreement into disagreement as a most favourable outcome.

Enter Boris Johnson who thought he could get the disagreement that would find the most agreement, so he withdrew the whip from all those MPs who were being loyal to the consituents they represented who argued that red lines should be respected.

He then again attempted to thwart the sovereignty of parliament by saying, 'don't bother turning up as we won't be bothering to turn up to listen. However sovereignty bleaters had again to voice their displeasure that parliament was indeed sovereign when Lady Hale told Johnson that sovereignty means 'them not you'.

However he then quoted the same red line that there could be no border on land or at sea between Britain and Northern Ireland, and the EU with Nothern Ireland while he did so. However he then broke the British and EU red line and did it anyway, and called it a settlement. Even the TV spectacle of Nadine Dories giving BJ virtual BJs was enough to save him.

Nadine Dories not having gotten over her sulks then joins the Brexit Party. However her brand becomes tarnished by other defecting Tories with even worse reputations of propriety in office.

Still without all that could we otherwise have had so much fun as being governed by an American born Prime Minister demanding British sovereignty over Downing Street parties during lockdown with the name of Johnson whose initials also happen to be BJ?

Sorry what was that about comparing manifestos?
 
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