monkers
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I'd have given them five years and a life ban from using the internet.
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I'd have given them five years and a life ban from using the internet.
Ian H
Legendary Member
Incitement is a serious offence.
Obviously I don't 'know' that the arson attempts were a direct result - that's why I used the word 'possibly'. Language matters.
BoldonLad
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I wonder how long this guy will get:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...throats-riots-fascists-disorder-b1180481.html
Beebo
Guru
It’s a very harsh punishment but that’s the point. It sends a message to anyone else.
Who will now think twice.
monkers
Legendary Member
Unlike Connolly, he is pleading not guilty. Having seen the evidence of video footage, I will be interested to see how his defence will act.
AuroraSaab
Squire
The Hate Not Hope boss who tweeted that a Muslim woman had been the victim of an acid attack without any verification of it hasn't been charged with anything. You could argue his post during the disturbances was also incendiary. Read by 100k people, retweeted many times.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...acid-attack-on-muslim-woman-tweet/ar-AA1oh1I7
A less severe punishment would have done the same. I'm not against deterrent sentences but excessive ones undermine the public's confidence in the fairness of the system.
monkers
Legendary Member
Connolly pleaded guilty to a charge of incitement with intent; therefore mens rea is established.
In terms of the offence of incitement, the sentencing guidelines give this a category 1 case (highest), with culpability at level 1 (highest). This was agreed by the defence. The minimum sentence is set at 3 years. A sentence of of 31 months means that she got the minimum sentence less 5 months for mitigating circumstances. She will potentially become eligible for release at 40% of her sentence, meaning that she may actually serve just 12.5 months.
By the way, that Tweet was not her only offence, others were found across a range of social media. She had said in a range of sm posts on a number of occasions, ''if that make me a racist, so be it.'' That rather makes a nonsense of her husbands defensive remarks that she had acted out of character.
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matticus
Guru
It's a losers game to try comparing "Crime A got Sentence Z" with "Crime B got Sentence Y". Of course we've all done it!
But 'm struggling to see your point of view here. Didn't you say 2 years was a fair sentence for throwing soup at some high-profile plastic?
glasgowcyclist
Über Member
In the midst of a riot, where fascists across the country were actively hunting refugees and asylum seekers, she encouraged them to burn down the hotels housing them. Hotels which also contained children.
This wasn’t a slip of the tongue or a jest. It wasn’t ‘hurty words’ as some have described it.
It was a brazen and calculated goading of thugs to kill innocent people by burning them alive.
This wasn’t a slip of the tongue or a jest. It wasn’t ‘hurty words’ as some have described it.
It was a brazen and calculated goading of thugs to kill innocent people by burning them alive.
AuroraSaab
Squire
The whole point of sentencing guidelines is to ensure some sort of scale to recognise severity of offending surely. We should be able to compare crime A with crime B and be confident that the legal system has its priorities right.
I said I thought they were excessive too. You've forgotten to mention that bit.
I said I thought they were excessive too. You've forgotten to mention that bit.
spen666
Well-Known Member
You appear to have missed a step out in the sentencing guidelines
If she pleaded guilty at earliest opportunity she is entitled to a discount of at least 30% on sentence.
Thi suggests she would have got a sentence of 44 months before credit but after allowing for mitigation
The sentencing range for highest culpability and harm is 2-6 years ( before discount for G plea). Thus her sentence is most certainly not excessive if it is a highest culpability and harm case.
Those saying it's excessive should first read the sentencing guidelines which effectively bind the judge https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.u...ous-grounds-or-grounds-of-sexual-orientation/
monkers
Legendary Member
I agree with what you say in general terms. However Connolly did not plead guilty at the earliest opportunity; therefore she was not entitled to a 30% discount.
I'll be honest with you, I haven't looked to see the breakdown of the 5 months in terms of discount and mitigation - if it's even available yet to see.
I had understood the minimum for Cat 1 and Culp 1 was 3 years, but I'm happy to be corrected. It's still likely that she'll be out on licence in about a year or so though.
Addendum. Just looked it up - sentencing range is 2 to 6 years. Starting point (rather than minimum as I had stated) is 3 years.
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spen666
Well-Known Member
She pleaded guilty, so would be entitled to a discount. The max is 30% and reduces on a sliding scale
monkers
Legendary Member
Agreed.