RIP Ann Widdecome

[Rusty Nails]

You repeatedly take issue with my posts saying all abuse is wrong.

The only logical conclusion is you think abuse can be acceptable

I take issue with the fact you make stuff up.

I also take issue with simplistic statements about all verbal abuse being wrong that doesn't give any definition of abuse.

Yes, it's wrong to abuse someone just because of their race, colour, nationality, disability or sexual preference or to threaten violence, but to call a politician (no specific names here) a lying grifter because you believe their actions or statements demonstrate that to be true, is perfectly acceptable in politics.

 

[spen666]

I take issue with the fact you make stuff up.

I have not made anything up, but it appears you have just made that allegations up. Ironic isn't it

I also take issue with simplistic statements about all verbal abuse being wrong that doesn't give any definition of abuse.

So you think abuse is ok, in circumstances that suit you.


That's taken a long time for you to say it.

Yes, it's wrong to abuse someone just because of their race, colour, nationality, disability or sexual preference or to threaten violence, but to call a politician (no specific names here) a lying grifter because you believe their actions or statements demonstrate that to be true, is perfectly acceptable in politics.

 

[monkers]

I wonder what the court of public opinion might make of this from 1977 - insult, abuse or acceptable language? Or otherwise perhaps it shows how modern politics is allowed to function?

Quote from response to Google question

Former Conservative MP Ann Widdecombe famously said that her former boss, Michael Howard, had "something of the night about him" during a 1997 interview regarding the Conservative Party leadership contest. The devastating political insult effectively derailed Howard's initial leadership bid. [1, 2]
According to The Guardian, Widdecombe made the remark to damage Howard's campaign because she believed his actions were too focused on his personal career and flawed in their public interest. [1]
The phrase has since become one of the most famous jibes in British political history. Widdecombe later revealed on BBC News that she had "tested out" the phrase on a permanent secretary at the Home Office before using it publicly, and that she knew it would be a "humdinger." [1, 2, 3]

 

[AndyRM]

I wonder what the court of public opinion might make of this from 1977 - insult, abuse or acceptable language? Or otherwise perhaps it shows how modern politics is allowed to function?

Quote from response to Google question

I reckon she was implying he's a vampire.

 

[briantrumpet]

I wonder what the court of public opinion might make of this from 1977 - insult, abuse or acceptable language? Or otherwise perhaps it shows how modern politics is allowed to function?

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Dammit, I read that she actually got that phrase from somewhere else, and I've now forgotten where!

 

[secretsqirrel]

Perhaps she said “Something of the knight about him?” ?

 

[Rusty Nails]

I have not made anything up, but it appears you have just made that allegations up. Ironic isn't it


So you think abuse is ok, in circumstances that suit you.


That's taken a long time for you to say it.

You attribute motives to people for no sound reason other than it suits your argument. That is making stuff up.

I believe that without a clear definition of abuse, other than your motherhood and apple pie statements, it is impossible to claim that all abuse is wrong.

It is not the great gotcha that you think it is for me to agree that there are types of abuse that are wrong (with the caveat of the previous paragraph) but if it gives you a frisson of pleasure to take that as a point scored I am happy to indulge you in order to move the thread on from your tedious pedantry.

 

[briantrumpet]

Farage, still exploiting Widdecombe's murder, contrary to the pleas of police, at Truss's UK CPAC thing...

 

[C R]

Farage, still exploiting Widdecombe's murder, contrary to the pleas of police, at Truss's UK CPAC thing...

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Any chance of a contempt charge?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Any chance of a contempt charge?

There's no charge for holding Farage in contempt.

 

[briantrumpet]

Any chance of a contempt charge?

I guess he's following his idol's efforts to see how far he can push the legal 'envelope' without consequences for himself. He'd like to be untouchable, like Trump effectively is.

 

[spen666]

Any chance of a contempt charge?

Contempt of what?
Can't see he has said anything that could be a contempt of court - so not sure what contempt charge there could be at this stage

 

[First Aspect]

Contempt of what?
Can't see he has said anything that could be a contempt of court - so not sure what contempt charge there could be at this stage

Other opinions are available.

https://theconversation.com/ann-wid...ncluding-nigel-farage-not-to-speculate-287516

What sort of law do you practice incidentally? It would help to know so that it's easier to assess when you are spraffing.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

So, I hear Josh Kerr broke the 27 year old mile world record.........wrong thread?

 

[briantrumpet]

Other opinions are available.

https://theconversation.com/ann-wid...ncluding-nigel-farage-not-to-speculate-287516

What sort of law do you practice incidentally? It would help to know so that it's easier to assess when you are spraffing.

IIRC, courts take a very dim view of anything that threatens the proper administration of justice, as evidenced in your linked article (but I'm pretty sure that there have been several cases where judges move swiftly to reprimand/punish, to dissuade others from jeopardising live cases.