Seemingly trivial things that elicit an emotional response of some kind

[PurplePenguin]

I made zero comment on gender. This was a deliberate act.

You responded to a comment about single sex spaces for men.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Anyway. Darts. I don't think it's (substantiated) performance issue. In which case for someone who identifies as female, I am struggling with the exclusion at this point. It doesn't seem to raise the same "safe space" type issues as changing rooms, women only gyms etc. particularly if the audience is both mixed and inebriated, which seems normal for darts.

It's because they are men. Women are allowed to have their own stuff, for reasons already discussed at length. They don't have to share with men who pretend to be them, however sad it makes those men.

 

[Pblakeney]

You responded to a comment about single sex spaces for men.

No. I responded to a post about clubs, politicking and backroom deals.

 

[PurplePenguin]

No. I responded to a post about clubs, politicking and backroom deals.

And single sex spaces. Do I need to quote it for you?

 

[Pblakeney]

And single sex spaces. Do I need to quote it for you?

No need. I was responding to the second sentence, and what was/is going on in the clubs. I agree with the first.
The political networking and backroom dealing is still going on. Regardless of gender.

I think men deserve their single sex spaces as much as women do. 50 or 100 years ago, when these clubs were the place where political networking and backroom dealing was done, it might have been discriminatory but nowadays they are social clubs.

 

[Psamathe]

Yet another thread descends to gender wars.

 

[Pross]

The one thread I actively seek to avoid getting dragged into one that is usually quite fun to read. Yep, that’s triggered an emotional response.

 

[PurplePenguin]

The one thread I actively seek to avoid getting dragged into one that is usually quite fun to read. Yep, that’s triggered an emotional response.

I did have a moan about waiters, a laugh at inconsiderate train users, a smile at Groucho snobbery and a petty argument in between. What more can you expect from a trivially emotional thread like this?

 

[First Aspect]

It's because they are men. Women are allowed to have their own stuff, for reasons already discussed at length. They don't have to share with men who pretend to be them, however sad it makes those men.

But only women have that right?

I'm playing devil's advocate toman extent you understand. Because the justification for women's only sport for a level playing field is not the same as because women's only things are a just a right.

 

[First Aspect]

So are you saying there should be no women's category in darts? Are you saying that all men should be allowed entry? Or are you saying that only a sub group of men should be eligible? If the latter, what are the criteria?

Apparently there is no men's category.

So it's an interesting discussion. Taking away any innate gender related performance advantage (which is the devil's advocate part), why is there any category at all?

In answer to you question, transgender people. Which is hard to define. No one says it isn't. But then on the margins so is biological gender.

 

[First Aspect]

I did have a moan about waiters, a laugh at inconsiderate train users, a smile at Groucho snobbery and a petty argument in between. What more can you expect from a trivially emotional thread like this?

What about waiters? What did I miss?

Last I heard you were just being unreasonably tolerant of speaker phones. The correct emotional response to which is homicidal rage.

 

[AuroraSaab]

No, every group has that right. Disabled people should be able to exclude able bodied people for example. We frequently exclude based on age. I think it was a shame the Men's Sheds organisation decided to admit women - men deserve spaces of their own as much as women do.

Taking away any innate gender related performance advantage (which is the devil's advocate part), why is there any category at all? In answer to you question, transgender people. Which is hard to define. No one says it isn't. But then on the margins so is biological gender.

No, it's because the women's game is so far behind the men's game, in terms of numbers participating and level of play, that having every tournament as mixed sex would mean the women's game would never get chance to flourish. You'd never see women playing at a high level (there's currently only one woman playing on the professional tour, which is mixed sex), younger women wouldn't be encouraged to take up the game, and there'd be little incentive for women to put in the cost, time, and effort of travelling to tournaments.

There's no need for ages categories in darts if, as you say, physicality doesn't come into it, but they have junior tournaments to encourage participation.

 

[First Aspect]

No, every group has that right. Disabled people should be able to exclude able bodied people for example. We frequently exclude based on age. I think it was a shame the Men's Sheds organisation decided to admit women - men deserve spaces of their own as much as women do.



No, it's because the women's game is so far behind the men's game, in terms of numbers participating and level of play, that having every tournament as mixed sex would mean the women's game would never get chance to flourish. You'd never see women playing at a high level (there's currently only one woman playing on the professional tour, which is mixed sex), younger women wouldn't be encouraged to take up the game, and there'd be little incentive for women to put in the cost, time, and effort of travelling to tournaments.

There's no need for ages categories in darts if, as you say, physicality doesn't come into it, but they have junior tournaments to encourage participation.

Yeah okay you got me.

What are your thoughts on waiters?

 

[Psamathe]

Disabled people should be able to exclude able bodied people for example.

That's a very "black & white" view of "disabled". It's far more complex than that.

 

[Ian H]

Yeah okay you got me.

What are your thoughts on waiters?

One should always insist on a visual check of a waiter's gender before allowing them to serve you.